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  1.    26 Aug 2015 #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by AddRAM View Post
    You should have tested your software on the TP before upgrading to 10, as far as the start menu, that is just a glitch on your system, which I`m sure a clean install would fix, but if your software is not compatible with 10 yet, then by all means stick with 7

    Good advice check your software first and have a back up computer running win7. I am betting after a few fix's from Microsoft Win10 will be a stable product.
    @ BRKING, so don`t use Edge, use Chrome or your favorite browser.
    Good advice check your software first and have a back up computer running win7. I am betting after a few fix's from Microsoft Win10 will be a stable product.
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  2.    26 Aug 2015 #32
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    I would argue that it is a stable product already, and that it is the third party vendors who needed to be prepared. This was the lesson the entire industry learned with Vista. It wasn't that Vista was a bad OS, but when you buy a new Dell at Best Buy that shipped with 512 MB of memory, and an Nvidia card with no Vista drivers, your experience is going to be awful. Naturally, Microsoft takes the blame. Ever since then, the entire industry has had plenty of time to test out their products with new OSes so they can and should be ready for the release dates.
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  3.    26 Aug 2015 #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
    I would argue that it is a stable product already, and that it is the third party vendors who needed to be prepared. This was the lesson the entire industry learned with Vista. It wasn't that Vista was a bad OS, but when you buy a new Dell at Best Buy that shipped with 512 MB of memory, and an Nvidia card with no Vista drivers, your experience is going to be awful. Naturally, Microsoft takes the blame. Ever since then, the entire industry has had plenty of time to test out their products with new OSes so they can and should be ready for the release dates.
    This was more of a problem that Mr.Dell caused selling low priced computers,that were not really ready to work with programs in the market.
    BestBuy will sell anything to make a quick buck, it's up to the buyer to research what computer they plan to buy. Myself i would not recommend a Dell system to my worst enemy if i had a worst enema.
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  4.    26 Aug 2015 #34
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    It was definitely Dell's problem at the time, as well as Nvidia's. No reason for either of them to not be ready. I have been running all Dell exclusively for my company for 10 years. I was a former HP employee until that time. Dell has been cheaper and has offered top-notch support. Personally, my wife has a Dell laptop and I have an HP ultrabook. Dell has left me with nothing to complain about. They all ship their PCs with a bloated install, but no true member of the enthusiast community ever leaves the OS installed from the OEM. I make the restore discs, but them in my home safe, and wipe the drive clean within the first hour of unboxing the computer.
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  5.    26 Aug 2015 #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
    It was definitely Dell's problem at the time, as well as Nvidia's. No reason for either of them to not be ready. I have been running all Dell exclusively for my company for 10 years. I was a former HP employee until that time. Dell has been cheaper and has offered top-notch support. Personally, my wife has a Dell laptop and I have an HP ultrabook. Dell has left me with nothing to complain about. They all ship their PCs with a bloated install, but no true member of the enthusiast community ever leaves the OS installed from the OEM. I make the restore discs, but them in my home safe, and wipe the drive clean within the first hour of unboxing the computer.
    Many years ago i bought my first desktop system after trying to use an Apple II,it was a Gateway when Gateway was just starting to build computers, back then each system was run if i recall 12 hours and then tested 100% before being shipped out to customers.
    They were going to market a quality product back then,sadly as they quickly built a good reputation forquality computers at a good price,but with demand came changes in quality policies and they would run a few of a batch of builds,quickly shipping everything they could. Sadly this caused a good company to fail and become history.
    I bought a HP desktop system running XP,it worked very well for years,when Microsoft quit supporting XP,i bought my first group of laptop computers, two large then top of their line ASUS G73s a smaller ASUS a small HP and a really compact Toshiba.
    All were running Win7Pro. And to day all are still running.
    Dell has made so many poor moves in their marketing plans,same can be said for HP with their new CEO wanting to drop computers.
    We noticed IBM laptops are now sold as something else think they are a high end product of Acer.
    That's my rant for today on computers and, it's not a Microsoft problem to solve for the computer makers.
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  6.    26 Aug 2015 #36
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    I haven't been an HP employee since early 2006. Fiorina acquired Compaq during my tenure and that ended up ruining what was a great company. They've made some bad business decisions since then, enough so to make me glad I'm not apart of it anymore. I still think they make quality products, albeit sometimes expensive. Their inkjet printers are top-notch, but their ink is expensive.

    IBM's computer division was sold off to Lenovo. I wasn't a fan of IBM computers before and haven't checked them out since.
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  7.    26 Aug 2015 #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
    I haven't been an HP employee since early 2006. Fiorina acquired Compaq during my tenure and that ended up ruining what was a great company. They've made some bad business decisions since then, enough so to make me glad I'm not apart of it anymore. I still think they make quality products, albeit sometimes expensive. Their inkjet printers are top-notch, but their ink is expensive.

    IBM's computer division was sold off to Lenovo. I wasn't a fan of IBM computers before and haven't checked them out since.
    I was in BestBuy checking prices on HP ink cartridges for my old HP 8500A Plus printer think it cost $300 back then, looked at the new HP 8600 printer,now selling for $199. After giving it a real close look i really found it's parts IMHO cheap and not really ready to last very long maybe that is HP marketing plan under their new CEO.

    I am really glad I still have my two old HP11C&one HPC15 calculators,they still work great and their 4 small button batteries last and last and last,maybe for ever. Can't find them anymore they are GONE forever.
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  8.    26 Aug 2015 #38
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    Their marketing plan has little to nothing to do with their printer quality. HP makes it's best profits in the printer division, and not by making cheap printers. You need to have one and use it before being able to say how they are made. I've been along for five recent purchases of HP printers for close friends and family, and all have been great. The software is a little bloated, but it isn't used. The only negative is the ink cost.

    My wife is an amateur photographer, doing so for fundraising, and she does her printing on an HP PhotoSmart Plus 309. We've had it for a few years, and it's built like a tank. Like I said, the only negative is the ink cost.
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  9.    26 Aug 2015 #39
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    Windows 7 and Windows 10

    "Windows 7 has served me well over the years and I'm not aware of any need of benefits that Windows 10 may offer."

    there is one big benefit with w10. the never-fixed USB problems w7 has are fixed on w10. when you plug a usb device into w7 you are told there is a problem with the drive. you choose to fix it and it reports there were no errors found. plug it in again and the 'error in drive' problem starts up again.

    as most things we plug into a PC are USB these days this is a major irritation. windows 10 finds and actually fixes usb problems. these are FAT or file problems usually because the device was used on a non-wi does system, like android.

    if i couldn't dual-boot i would stick with win7 too. give win10 aboyt 6 months and we'll see a nice o/s.
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  10.    26 Aug 2015 #40
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    Those USB errors weren't an issue with the OS. They were due to poor USB drivers from chip manufacturers and the myriad of USB devices on the market. That wasn't some major flaw of Windows 7 or anything like that. If you were experiencing those issues more often than normal, than it was an issue with your USB controllers.
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