Windows 11 is being released on June 24 ....confused ?

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  1. Ghot's Avatar
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       #21

    Matthew Wai said:
    If M$ does not allow me to install it, I may simply switch to UOS, an OS being developed by the Chinese.


    I've heard of that, but I don't want Xi laughing at all my jokes.



    /edit

    There are also work arounds that will let you install W11 without TPM.
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  2. jimbo45's Avatar
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       #22

    RJARRRPCGP said:
    That's how Microsoft can single-handedly ban 90 percent of PCs from using a new version of Windows.
    I've been able to install "Leaked Version" of W11 on a PC with TPM disabled - I installed as a VM first (clean install) installed Office 2019 and a few other programs including Macrium Free. Then from WITHIN the VM created the Macrium stand alone IsO. Ensure your VM has standard SATA / AHCI driver in its "Virtual hardware" - an easy way to ensure that is to add a RAW physical disk drive (you don't have to write to it - if necessary create it read only if you are afraid to lose data. Now Image the system and restore to a physical machine with the stand alone Macrium image.

    Then use the "Fix Windows boot problems" , boot a partition manager to increase size of your "C" disk - probably if coming from a VM you've only used a small Virtual "C" drive then boot.

    You'll need then to update loads of drivers -- do it manually by going into the device manager and against hardware that needs drivers updating e.g Video etc select update driver-->point to any recent Windows system you have and select browse computer for updates and choose directory of the latest W10 system system32/DriverStore.

    You can mount a Macrium image of a previous Windows 10 and use the Macrium browse image to get data if you don't have a spare Windows disk.

    The whole TPM thing may have been some half hearted effort by Ms to prevent this release from being copied once it got out into the Wild. - If even the CIA can't keep stuff quiet at times how in the world would a company like Ms even have a chance. The rediculous antics of its management by issuing "Take down notices" all over Google to references of the iso just "aggrevate publicity" and have about as much effect as trying to block some of those notorious torrent sites.

    The sensible management policy would have been not to trumpet huge fanfare about an upcoming event until nearer the time or simply not have released any iso until nearer the time.

    The posturing by Ms's management (probably better called Mis-management) leads more credence to W11 I suspect than I thought around 2 weeks ago.

    We shall see though. For those that haven't yet tried the current leaked iso there's not a lot of difference, some nice icons etc but we shall see.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. Steve C's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
       #23

    Matthew Wai said:
    Do you mean the following?

    Backup and Restore with Macrium Reflect
    You could use imaging but I just used the Reflect clone feature. It might also work just copying the files across.
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  4. Steve C's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
       #24

    jimbo45 said:
    I've been able to install "Leaked Version" of W11 on a PC with TPM disabled - I installed as a VM first (clean install) installed Office 2019 and a few other programs including Macrium Free. Then from WITHIN the VM created the Macrium stand alone IsO. Ensure your VM has standard SATA / AHCI driver in its "Virtual hardware" - an easy way to ensure that is to add a RAW physical disk drive (you don't have to write to it - if necessary create it read only if you are afraid to lose data. Now Image the system and restore to a physical machine with the stand alone Macrium image.

    Then use the "Fix Windows boot problems" , boot a partition manager to increase size of your "C" disk - probably if coming from a VM you've only used a small Virtual "C" drive then boot.

    You'll need then to update loads of drivers -- do it manually by going into the device manager and against hardware that needs drivers updating e.g Video etc select update driver-->point to any recent Windows system you have and select browse computer for updates and choose directory of the latest W10 system system32/DriverStore.

    You can mount a Macrium image of a previous Windows 10 and use the Macrium browse image to get data if you don't have a spare Windows disk.

    The whole TPM thing may have been some half hearted effort by Ms to prevent this release from being copied once it got out into the Wild. - If even the CIA can't keep stuff quiet at times how in the world would a company like Ms even have a chance. The rediculous antics of its management by issuing "Take down notices" all over Google to references of the iso just "aggrevate publicity" and have about as much effect as trying to block some of those notorious torrent sites.

    The sensible management policy would have been not to trumpet huge fanfare about an upcoming event until nearer the time or simply not have released any iso until nearer the time.

    The posturing by Ms's management (probably better called Mis-management) leads more credence to W11 I suspect than I thought around 2 weeks ago.

    We shall see though. For those that haven't yet tried the current leaked iso there's not a lot of difference, some nice icons etc but we shall see.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    See my post above about just copying the files from the Hyper V .vhdx drive to a new partition then setting that partition as a W11 multiboot option.
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  5. jimbo45's Avatar
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       #25

    Steve C said:
    You could use imaging but I just used the Reflect clone feature. It might also work just copying the files across.
    Hi there
    Cloning requires using a whole disk !!!. Also this isn't very good if you want to create a physical version (i.e on a Real PC) from a Virtual Machine. Create Image and then restore seems the best way to do this especially if your VM is on an AMD machine and you are restoring to an INTEL laptop.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6. jimbo45's Avatar
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    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #26

    Steve C said:
    See my post above about just copying the files from the Hyper V .vhdx drive to a new partition then setting that partition as a W11 multiboot option.
    Hi there
    that solution is fine too if you want Multi-boot -- but I DON'T want multi-boot - also if you are starting from HOME edition it's I believe not possible to enable that HYPER-V feature (could be wrong of course as I don't have HOME edition)

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. Bree's Avatar
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    10 Home x64 (21H1) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #27

    Matthew Wai said:
    Why have they imposed such a ban?
    The current theory is that because this leaked build is an internal Dev build that's not even intended for release to Insiders, then TPM and secure boot is required to keep it secure should a machine its installed on get stolen.

    If that's the case then the TPM/SB would not be a requirement in the release version.
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  8. Matthew Wai's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Home 20H2
       #28

    I hope so.
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  9. Posts : 1,038
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       #29

    Bree said:
    The current theory is that because this leaked build is an internal Dev build that's not even intended for release to Insiders, then TPM and secure boot is required to keep it secure should a machine its installed on get stolen.
    If that's the case then the TPM/SB would not be a requirement in the release version.
    Maybe, maybe not. This leaked build supports secure boot like all others dev ISO's before. It is not the case of 20H2, it is not possible to do a clean install with secure boot enabled.

    I noticed that a long time ago and Rufus had a warning about it. Secure boot is always enabled here, even in Ubuntu's. Arch is the only exception.

    Code:
    mokutil --sb
    SecureBoot enabled
    SecureBoot validation is disabled in shim
    uname -a
    Linux neon 5.13.0-051300rc7-generic #202106202330 SMP Sun Jun 20 23:32:58 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
    Hopefully, the June 24th video will answer all questions in suspend.
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  10. dalchina's Avatar
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    Win 10 Pro (1903)
       #30

    I wonder if the wonderful new updated super-duper rounded-corner start menu will do any better handling start menus with nested folders.

    Look what happens to Libre Office, for example.
    First: Open Shell (correct): - folders Office, LibreOffice 6.4
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    Then Win 10's effort:
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    Folders like LibreOffice 6.4 are stripped out - so the Readme's and Help files e.g. for unrelated programs then appear in a linear contiguous list..

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