Windows 11??

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  1. Posts : 5,048
    Windows 10/11 Pro x64, Various Linux Builds, Networking, Storage, Cybersecurity Specialty.
       #381

    My take -

    Microsoft is bending toward the Apple OS/X GUI.
    It's a cave.

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  2. Posts : 19,518
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       #382

    spunk said:
    Microsoft is taking a page from Apple. They are dragging us kicking and screaming into the future. If your hardware is too old, then it will not work on the latest OS.
    That doesn't mean that your more then 5 year old computer will stop running, it will run on Windows 10 fine for a little while. But after Microsoft stops supporting Windows 10 in 5 years, it will be more vulnerable to attack. Most people will want to upgrade by that time anyways.
    My W10 is now only on the laptop. It's officially not eligible for W11 but I could make it work. It came with W7 upgraded to W10 by me. There's no much of support even now and security can be maintained by 3rd party programs even beyond all MS support has ended, Many PCs with XP are still around.
    It's not all MS's fault,there's another problem with older HW, Manufacturers rarely update or make drivers for HW made for one previous windows version and even worse situation with BIOS updates required to run HW and conform to new OS at same time. Planed obsolescence at work. HW manufacturers have 0 interest for us to keep their stuff forever instead of buying new, It's a circle difficult to escape. If it was only computers we would be in great shape but it's the case with most everything. Even food producers shorten "Good until" dates although a product can be used longer if for instance refrigerated. Recently bought a bag of kitchen salt with 5 years expiration date while salt is millions of years old.
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  3. Posts : 5,048
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       #383

    CountMike said:
    Recently bought a bag of kitchen salt with 5 years expiration date while salt is millions of years old.
    All humans are in the billions of years old.

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  4. Posts : 2,190
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       #384

    cereberus said:
    Aren't you being a touch elitist?
    5 years old is not that old for pcs.
    There are lots of people running much older devices especially in poorer parts of the world, older persons, schools etc.
    MS obviously no longer cares about the "little" people which is sad.
    I am not being an elitist just a realist. I didn't set the requirements for Windows 11 Microsoft did. Even though some people have come up with workarounds for these requirements the average computer user won't know about or know how to use them. After 2025 you will still see a lot of people still using Windows 10 but that will diminish as time goes on. It all depends upon what the users needs and finances are. That is just the ways it always has been. Just a statement of fact not wishful thinking.

    Microsoft is a corporation whose management's main job is to make money for its shareholders. You may not like that but that is reality.

    I guess you are not very old because you don't appreciate what a bargain computers are today. I must have spend over 5000 USD on my first computer in initial cost and upgrades. In 2023 that is about 18,000 USD. That means computers are much more affordable now than they were 40 years ago.
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       #385

    MisterEd said:
    I am not being an elitist just a realist. I didn't set the requirements for Windows 11 Microsoft did. Even though some people have come up with workarounds for these requirements the average computer user won't know about or know how to use them. After 2025 you will still see a lot of people still using Windows 10 but that will diminish as time goes on. It all depends upon what the users needs and finances are. That is just the ways it always has been. Just a statement of fact not wishful thinking.

    Microsoft is a corporation whose management's main job is to make money for its shareholders. You may not like that but that is reality.

    I guess you are not very old because you don't appreciate what a bargain computers are today. I must have spend over 5000 USD on my first computer in initial cost and upgrades. In 2023 that is about 18,000 USD. That means computers are much more affordable now than they were 40 years ago.
    Also must take into account how much more you get for that money. An average PC nowadays would give similar or maybe even better performance than a super/mainframe computer costing millions at time of first PC. A smart phone would be a dream comparing to computer that helped put men on the moon and for some pocket money.
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  6. Posts : 16,939
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #386

    cereberus said:
    I find it hard to believe that MS could just abandon Windows 10 on devices that cannot run Windows 11. ... However, there is going to be a lot of devices in 2025 that will not support Windows 11.
    MS will get a lot of bad press if they just abandon a lot of pcs.
    I have not yet noticed anybody report in ElevenForum that their computer fails to run Windows 11.
    Even my awful Dell Inspiron 1545 [from 2010] runs it - Upgrading with the Windows 11 RTM ISO on a well-below spec computer [my post #266] - ElevenForum
    By the time that 2025 comes round, I'd expect almost all the surviving desktops & laptops to be from 2015 or later so, surely, the numbers of those that could not cope would be small.
    MS have not said that they will stop Windows 11 running on less-than-fully-compatible computers; they've only said that they will not commit to supporting them.

    I don't think MS is interested in us at all. I think they might well make the bulk of their Windows money selling technical support services to corporations [who probably replace their desktop & laptop computers every three years anyway].

    So, whilst I don't particularly disagree with you, I think the problem might not be that widespread.
    I can remember similar discussions about the demands Windows 95 made on older computers.

    All the best,
    Denis
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       #387

    Try3 said:
    I have not yet noticed anybody report in ElevenForum that their computer fails to run Windows 11.
    Even my awful Dell Inspiron 1545 [from 2010] runs it - Upgrading with the Windows 11 RTM ISO on a well-below spec computer [my post #266] - ElevenForum
    By the time that 2025 comes round, I'd expect almost all the surviving desktops & laptops to be from 2015 or later so, surely, the numbers of those that could not cope would be small.
    MS have not said that they will stop Windows 11 running on less-than-fully-compatible computers; they've only said that they will not commit to supporting them.

    I don't think MS is interested in us at all. I think they might well make the bulk of their Windows money selling technical support services to corporations [who probably replace their desktop & laptop computers every three years anyway].

    So, whilst I don't particularly disagree with you, I think the problem might not be that widespread.
    I can remember similar discussions about the demands Windows 95 made on older computers.

    All the best,
    Denis
    And what percentage of the worlds popuation will know this? I bet vast majority will just carry on using W10?
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  8. Posts : 2,190
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       #388

    Try3 said:
    I have not yet noticed anybody report in ElevenForum that their computer fails to run Windows 11.
    Even my awful Dell Inspiron 1545 [from 2010] runs it - Upgrading with the Windows 11 RTM ISO on a well-below spec computer [my post #266] - ElevenForum
    By the time that 2025 comes round, I'd expect almost all the surviving desktops & laptops to be from 2015 or later so, surely, the numbers of those that could not cope would be small.
    MS have not said that they will stop Windows 11 running on less-than-fully-compatible computers; they've only said that they will not commit to supporting them.

    I don't think MS is interested in us at all. I think they might well make the bulk of their Windows money selling technical support services to corporations [who probably replace their desktop & laptop computers every three years anyway].

    So, whilst I don't particularly disagree with you, I think the problem might not be that widespread.
    I can remember similar discussions about the demands Windows 95 made on older computers.

    All the best,
    Denis
    I seem to remember the same thing happened after Windows 10 was released. Some people were installing it on old computers that technically did not qualify. At some point after some update these old computers stopped getting new major updates.

    Microsoft already said what the requirements are for Windows 11. People that bypass these requirement may eventually find themselves in the same situation as those with Windows 10. They may suddenly stop getting new major updates.

    In both cases people have no right to complain when their computers stopped or will stop getting major updates. After all they were warned.

    I seemed to remember maybe twenty years ago Microsoft complained that people were not buying new computers fast enough. They would have been happy if everyone bought a new computer every three years. The problem was too many weren't. Talk was that they wanted people to start buying subscriptions to Windows. That way they would have a steady and predicable flow of income. I think they only backed off back then because they were afraid of going against the DOJ at the time. I bet their lawyers also told them that if they forced this they would probably get a big class-action lawsuit.

    Note they have already convinced a lot of people today that this is the way to go by downplaying Microsoft Office one-time purchase and hyping Microsoft 365 subscriptions.
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       #389

    MisterEd said:
    I seem to remember the same thing happened after Windows 10 was released. Some people were installing it on old computers that technically did not qualify. At some point after some update these old computers stopped getting new major updates.
    There has only been one case where MS stopped providing updates. That was for PCs with the Intel Atom Clover Trail processor. That was due to Intel withdrawing support for these CPUs, not a decision on Microsoft's part.

    Microsoft confirmed this week that devices running Intel Clover Trail (Atom) processors would not be receiving support for Microsoft’s most recent release of Windows 10, called the Creators Update. Instead, Microsoft promises to support these older processors using the previous Windows 10 Anniversary Update release, version 1607. In addition, Microsoft promises to provide security updates until January 2023, which coincides with the end of the support schedule for Windows 8...

    ...if yours says Intel Atom with the designations Z2760, Z2580, Z2560, or Z2520, you are unfortunately on the “no” list for future feature upgrades.
    It's Official: Intel Atom Clover Trail PCs Can't Upgrade to Windows 10 Creators Update

    This extended support for 1607 on affected machines ended with yesterday's Patch Tuesday update.

    Microsoft said:
    After January 10, 2023, Microsoft will no longer provide security updates or technical support for Windows 10 on devices based on Intel's discontinued Atom Clover Trail series processors.
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...c-59a8168fe4bb
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  10. Posts : 16,939
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #390

    MisterEd said:
    I seem to remember the same thing happened after Windows 10 was released. Some people were installing it on old computers that technically did not qualify. At some point after some update these old computers stopped getting new major updates.
    Yes.

    Along with several other owners of Dell Inspiron 9300 laptops, Versions 1803 onwards would fail to install on my old laptop at, I think, the first reboot stage.
    Several people tried to help one of us and extensive analysis was performed. But to no avail. It seemed that there had been a change in the CPU requirements for Windows 10 and that the later Windows 10 versions were simply not compatible with our computers.
    We had to accept that Version 1709 was the latest we could have.
    Encouraged by claims that the problem could be bypassed using the same method as bypassing Windows 11 compatibility checks, I recently tried to update to Version 22H2 but it also failed.

    But the whole thing had been a bonus anyway.
    Our circa-2005 computers originally came with Windows XP and we'd enjoyed the benefit of a free [Insider] modern OS again for a few years.
    - Some owners of Dell Inspiron 9300 laptops had never been able to run Windows 10 at all despite apparently identical specs.
    - And some owners of Dell Inspiron 9300 laptops had never been able to run Windows 10 at more than a snail's pace despite apparently identical specs.

    I think a similar thing happened to some owners of old computers at Version 1809 but didn't make any notes about it.


    All the best,
    Denis
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