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    Windows 10 Pro on all on various machines version 21H2 and running Window 11 on one desktop without
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       #291

    Hiyya Steve yes mate well at least the laptop has the requirements but I have just checked the BIOS in my main desktop and there is no TPM on the board. It is a crying shame because I put a lot of effort not to mention money into building that machine but as you say at least we can run 10 until 2025. Plus I have no intentions of converting the laptop any time soon anyway.
    Frankly it one of those "when you thought it was safe to go back in the water" moments eh?

    Doubtless in coming years there will be yet more versions that become more and more complicated (in my view) but at my age I have no worries about them unless I can get to 100 years old of course but by then I guess I shall be gaga and in some nursing home

    Sorry to hear that both of your PC's are not capable mate it is certainly a sucker punch eh?
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  2. Posts : 4,457
    Win 11 Pro 22000.708
       #292

    bobkn said:
    Direct link to a Microsoft page that lists the requirements: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11 I'd thought that the TPM 2.0 requirement was an error, but I was mistaken. Yikes.

    (My two current desktops have an AMD X570 chipset, so I can use a firmware TPM. Not sure about my Intel based Lenovo laptop.)
    ...and the Lenovo laptop has the Intel equivalent firmware TPM. Haven't checked whether it's TPM 2.0 compatible yet.

    I'll be interested in hearing Microsoft's rationale for the TPM 2.0 requirement. Looked at cynically, they just don't want to support 11 on older hardware. Damn, but this will irk a lot of enthusiasts with good hardware that lacks TPM support.

    I wonder if MS will relent if there are enough complaints? Or, maybe if they are copying some of the MacOS appearance features, they will also copy Apple's we-know-what's-best-for-you arrogance. (My last major Apple purchase was a Quadra 700, on closeout in 1993. A while ago.)
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  3. Posts : 9,511
    Windows 10 Pro on all on various machines version 21H2 and running Window 11 on one desktop without
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       #293

    bobkn said:
    ...and the Lenovo laptop has the Intel equivalent firmware TPM. Haven't checked whether it's TPM 2.0 compatible yet.

    I'll be interested in hearing Microsoft's rationale for the TPM 2.0 requirement. Looked at cynically, they just don't want to support 11 on older hardware. Damn, but this will irk a lot of enthusiasts with good hardware that lacks TPM support.

    I wonder if MS will relent if there are enough complaints? Or, maybe if they are copying some of the MacOS appearance features, they will also copy Apple's we-know-what's-best-for-you arrogance. (My last major Apple purchase was a Quadra 700, on closeout in 1993. A while ago.)
    Yes bobkn I have found that my motherboard in my main desktop which I built some years ago has a spot to connect a TPM module but finding one is just about impossible now I would guess.
    But like you I just wonder why they are insisting on a TPM being in situ
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  4. Posts : 4,457
    Win 11 Pro 22000.708
       #294

    bobkn said:
    ...and the Lenovo laptop has the Intel equivalent firmware TPM. Haven't checked whether it's TPM 2.0 compatible yet.

    (snip)
    For reasons that are unclear to me, the Lenovo laptop is incompatible. It may be the CPU, which is an I3-6100U. Official Windows 11 requirements have arrived: Here are the compatible Qualcomm, AMD, and Intel CPUs | Windows Central May be the I3-6100U CPU. The compatibility list in the link starts with the 8th gen. No clue as to why. (The Intel HD 520 graphics in that CPU are supposed to be DX12, and the drivers are WDDM 2.1)
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    19044.1586 - 21H2 Pro x64
       #295

    ICIT2LOL said:
    Hiyya Steve yes mate well at least the laptop has the requirements but I have just checked the BIOS in my main desktop and there is no TPM on the board. It is a crying shame because I put a lot of effort not to mention money into building that machine but as you say at least we can run 10 until 2025. Plus I have no intentions of converting the laptop any time soon anyway.
    Frankly it one of those "when you thought it was safe to go back in the water" moments eh?

    Doubtless in coming years there will be yet more versions that become more and more complicated (in my view) but at my age I have no worries about them unless I can get to 100 years old of course but by then I guess I shall be gaga and in some nursing home

    Sorry to hear that both of your PC's are not capable mate it is certainly a sucker punch eh?
    You might want to take a look at prices and availability for a TPM module since your motherboard has a socket. Don't have to buy one now, but at least you might have the option to use the PC past 2025 vs buying a new one. I've seen them on Amazon

    It's going to be sad if we have to abandon decent hardware in 2025 after Windows 10 support ends if Microsoft does not provide some exceptions to us being able to run without TPM. The Windows 11 health is failing on my laptop which is UEFI and has TPM 2 - because the i7 version isn't on their approved list - I wish the tool would specify the exact reason why it's failing .
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  6. Posts : 9,511
    Windows 10 Pro on all on various machines version 21H2 and running Window 11 on one desktop without
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       #296

    Yes Steve it is all very complicated and I have searched everywhere for the TPM module bu just cannot find one that is specific to the board. Why on earth they did not include this on the board at manufacture as a preemptive measure for future use is beyond me.
    Still I will look on Amazon as you suggest there might be one there I suppose even if it is a generic one but I think that using one like that might brick the board eh?
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  7. Posts : 7,130
    Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
       #297

    steve108 said:
    It's a 5+ year old Dell desktop. No mention of TPM in BIOS and no TPM sockets on the motherboard
    Same for my 2014 Dell laptop. My 2019 HP Laptop has TPM 2.0 though.
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    Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
       #298

    ICIT2LOL said:
    Yes bobkn I have found that my motherboard in my main desktop which I built some years ago has a spot to connect a TPM module but finding one is just about impossible now I would guess.
    But like you I just wonder why they are insisting on a TPM being in situ
    Indeed. My 2012 Gigabyte motherboard has a 20 pin TPM 1.2 connector but the approved Gigabyte TPM module is no longer available. I did find a Foxconn 20 pin TPM module on eBay but there are some differences between that and the Gigabyte motherboard socket in the connector pin connections which is odd since I thought the TPM connector would be a common standard.
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  9. Posts : 9,511
    Windows 10 Pro on all on various machines version 21H2 and running Window 11 on one desktop without
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       #299

    Steve C said:
    Indeed. My 2012 Gigabyte motherboard has a 20 pin TPM 1.2 connector but the approved Gigabyte TPM module is no longer available. I did find a Foxconn 20 pin TPM module on eBay but there are some differences between that and the Gigabyte motherboard socket in the connector pin connections which is odd since I thought the TPM connector would be a common standard.
    That is exactly what I have got too Steve and the chances of getting a module is pretty slim if not impossible. As I said why they were not included as a preemptive feature on the board by the makers is a mystery to me so a thumbs down for Asus and any board brand that did the same. They must have known back then that the module would be something of a standard thing one day eh?
    Like you I found one Asus TPM on Amazon but it was only a 14-1 pin set up and I am not game to try it as I suppose it could brick the board.
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  10. Posts : 19,241
    W11+W11 Developer Insider + Linux
       #300

    I suspect that TPM requirement is because they plan on using BitLocker or some kind of encryption for sensitive system files at least. That could increase security very much.
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