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  1. Posts : 117
    Windows 10 Pro, V 22H2 OS Build 19042.1288
       #1

    Windows 10 Pro Education


    Hi,

    I've been offered a HP 250 G7 laptop by a seller on one of the internet forums. This is a fairly low spec machine (TN screen, 4 GB ram, 128 Gb hdd and no cd/dvd drive) but is new and the price is attractive however one of the pictures he has posted shows it running Windows 10 Pro Education. I'm more concerned about the machine than the seller as he has a lot of 100% positive feedback...

    How practical is W7 Pro Education for home use? Presumably it has been installed using a volume licencing key so if I had to re-install at any time would that be a problem - or would JellyBean show me the keys? Could I change the Education version to a normal W10 Pro, would that involve any costs?

    I'm really out of my depth here and would welcome some advice.
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  2. Posts : 16,191
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.3693
       #2

    The meaning of & constraints affecting an "Education" Edition of Windows or other MS software have varied across software, across Versions & across Regions.

    I think you'll have to check both the Region used by the seller and your own UK Region to fully understand the implications. Be particularly careful to assess the [re-]activation procedure.
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/sear...s+10+education
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-GB/educ...s/default.aspx
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/sear... pro education

    Just by way of example, I used to have an Education edition of Office 2007. It activated in the normal way. But if I had tried this in the US or with a later Edition in the UK then I would have had to have provided an email address ending in .edu during activation or the installation would never have been licensed.

    I think you should also search the HP website to form a view about whether or not the computer is likely to be "new".

    I would not expect an Education edition to be any different in use. It's its activation that might be a problem.

    Best of luck,
    Denis
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  3. Posts : 30,269
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #3

    taid said:
    I've been offered a HP 250 G7 laptop by a seller on one of the internet forums ... however one of the pictures he has posted shows it running Windows 10 Pro Education. I'm more concerned about the machine than the seller as he has a lot of 100% positive feedback....
    These are relevant links that may help you decide.

    Apparently the HP 250 G7 did come with an academic edition of W10 as one of the OEM pre-installed options.

    HP said:
    HP 250 G7 Notebook PC Specifications
    Operating systems
    Feature Description
    Preinstalled Windows 10 Pro 64 (National Academic only)
    note: Some devices for academic use automatically update to Windows 10 Pro Education with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update. Features vary.
    Windows 10 Pro 64
    Windows 10 Home Single Language 64
    Windows 10 Home 64
    note: Not all features are available in all editions or versions of Windows. Systems might require upgraded and/or separately purchased hardware, drivers, software or BIOS update to take full advantage of Windows functionality. Windows 10 automatic updates are always enabled. ISP fees might apply and additional requirements might apply over time for updates.
    FreeDOS 1.2
    https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06193977#AbT1

    Being pre-installed, it would likely have an OEM key, not a volume licence, and would have been sold by HP at a discount for academic use.
    Microsoft said:
    Existing devices running Windows 10 Pro, currently activated with the original OEM digital product key and purchased with discounted K-12 academic licenses through OEM partners (these discounted licenses are sometimes referred to as National Academic or Shape the Future), will upgrade automatically to Windows 10 Pro Education as part of the Windows 10, version 1607 installation.
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...e-81e8ba890444

    There was an enormous range of processors available for the 250 G7, from a Celeron, through Pentium and up to an i-3, i-5 or i-7. Which processor yours has can make a big difference to whether it is good value for money.

    As you are UK based, you may like to compare the price with those you could buy from CashConverters (which is where I get most of my laptops from, though I tend to prefer Dell Latitudes).

    Online Shopping | Cash Converters - search = HP 250 G7
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  4. Posts : 117
    Windows 10 Pro, V 22H2 OS Build 19042.1288
    Thread Starter
       #4

    Windows 10 PRO Education


    Thanks Bree & Try3, that's given me a clearer background of what's involved - I think!

    I did read somewhere that the Education version will not allow apps to be downloaded other than those available via the Microsoft Store. That must surely limit the use of the machine considerably for the average user? Over a period of time I've downloaded & installed dozens of programmes, many ham radio, different browsers, backup programmes etc but none through the MS Store. Being unable to do this would almost render the computer worthless for me. I can understand student machines being crippled like this otherwise all sorts of stuff could be downloaded! Incidentally I'm assuming that 'apps' and 'programmes' refer to the same thing here?

    The ideal situation for me would perhaps be to do a clean install with W10 Pro but that could in this case cost more than the laptop. Incidentally the guy is asking 140 posted for the laptop which he maintains is new. He has posted pictures here:-

    HP - Google Photos

    It is overall a fairly low spec machine but presumably ideal for student use.

    Thanks again for your help.
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  5. Posts : 18,354
    Windows 11 Pro
       #5

    taid said:
    Thanks Bree & Try3, that's given me a clearer background of what's involved - I think!

    I did read somewhere that the Education version will not allow apps to be downloaded other than those available via the Microsoft Store.
    Don't believe everything you read. The Microsoft Store only exclusion is Windows 10 S version - not Education version.
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  6. Posts : 117
    Windows 10 Pro, V 22H2 OS Build 19042.1288
    Thread Starter
       #6

    Windows 10 PRO Education


    NAVY LCDR - thanks for your input...

    >>> Don't believe everything you read. The Microsoft Store only exclusion is Windows 10 S version - not Education version.<<<

    That's interesting, that makes it fairly similar to the PRO minus Cortana of which I'm not a great fan...

    I'd still be concerned as to how I'd do a clean re-install if I ever had to - unless the OEM keys were on the underside of the machine, or could I get them using JellyBean? Realistically that's a problem that could arise with any machine... Perhaps I'm seeing ghosts where there aren't any!

    Thanks again.
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  7. Posts : 30,269
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #7

    taid said:
    That's interesting, that makes it fairly similar to the PRO minus Cortana of which I'm not a great fan...
    I'd still be concerned as to how I'd do a clean re-install if I ever had to - unless the OEM keys were on the underside of the machine, or could I get them using JellyBean? Realistically that's a problem that could arise with any machine... .

    One of the screenshots in the link you gave shows that this install is not activated yet....

    Windows 10 Pro Education-image.png

    ...though the Product ID ending in -AAOEM suggests it was an OEM install. It may (or may not) activate once it connects to the internet.


    There will be no CoA sticker for a Win10 machine. All machines built for W8 or later, and that were supplied with Windows pre-installed by the OEM will have a product key embedded in the bios firmware. ShowKeyPlus can find and display this key, if present. Note that FreeDos was one of the available OS options. If the machine was supplied by HP with FreeDos then there will be no product key in the firmware.

    When a key is present in the bios, then a clean install will read it and use it to choose the correct edition to install and to activate it.

    The screenshots also show this PC has the Celeron N4020 processor, the lowest spec HP supplied with this model.

    the guy is asking 140
    That seems a fair price, all else being well.
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  8. Posts : 18,354
    Windows 11 Pro
       #8

    taid said:
    NAVY LCDR - thanks for your input...

    >>> Don't believe everything you read. The Microsoft Store only exclusion is Windows 10 S version - not Education version.<<<

    That's interesting, that makes it fairly similar to the PRO minus Cortana of which I'm not a great fan...
    You seem to have a lot of misinformation about Pro Education because Pro Education does have Cortana.
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  9. Posts : 117
    Windows 10 Pro, V 22H2 OS Build 19042.1288
    Thread Starter
       #9

    NavyLCDR - thanks.

    ..."If you're using version 1607, Cortana is removed.
    If you're using new devices with version 1703 or later, Cortana is turned on by default.
    If you're upgrading from version 1607 to version 1703 or later, Cortana will be enabled...."

    The above from:-

    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/edu...tion-customers

    So maybe we're both right ?...
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  10. Posts : 16,191
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.3693
       #10

    taid said:

    Naturally, it remains entirely up to you but do bear in mind that the lack of evidence of activation means you are effectively buying a computer without any OS and you'd have to budget for that separately.

    By the way, you can post diagrams in your TenForums posts and they generally get a better response than merely posting a link to them elsewhere.
    How to upload and post screenshots and files - TenForumsTutorials
    How to remove a screenshot or image from a TenForums post - TenForumsTutorials
    How to post a screenshot of Disk management - TenForumsTutorials

    taid said:
    It is overall a fairly low spec machine but presumably ideal for student use.
    What are your requirements for your new computer? What do you want to be able to do?

    I agree with NavyLCDR, you need to research the Education edition using authoritative sources to find out what the situation is. I notice in your post #9 that you have read an MS article that makes several references to licensing issues.


    Denis
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