Win 10 annoyance.  


  1. Posts : 7
    Win 10 Pro (1909)
       #1

    Win 10 annoyance.


    My OS: MS Windows 10 ver. 1909
    -----------------------------------------------

    One of the most annoying things (there are many, too numerous to count... LOL) about W10 occurs only occasionally, but often enough to be extremely annoying & disturbing to me. It happened again, yesterday...

    OK, I should explain this. Here goes...

    When I am done for the day, I usually end my day by turning OFF my PC. I usually power up the next morning. My preferred method is to put my PC to 'sleep' VS a full 'shutdown'. I prefer this method for many reasons. It's way faster (both power-off & power-on), the next day I am at the desktop as soon as the power-up completes (no logging in needed), no POST, etc.

    I like this method very much. I know I can't use it all the time. I would think a weekly login would suffice, though.

    Anyway, the sleep mode has this annoying habit of powering up my PC after I've powered off my PC for the day. Sometimes I become aware of this, sometimes not. I'm pretty sure there's some idiot SW causing this, but I have no idea of what, if anything, I can do about it.

    I know If I use the full shut down method, the self wake ups don't happen. The full shut down is the only method where I know my PC won't "wake-up" on its own.

    What can I do about this? Anything? Am I just doomed to live with it?
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  2. Posts : 18,040
    Win 10 Pro 64-bit v1909 - Build 18363 Custom ISO Install
       #2

    Hello @PieLam,

    Run the following commands to see if anything stands out. Copy ALL the below AT ONCE into a Command Prompt and press Enter . . .

    Code:
    
    powercfg -DeviceQuery Wake_Armed
    powercfg -DeviceQuery Wake_From_Any
    powercfg -DeviceQuery Wake_Programmable
    powercfg -LastWake
    powercfg -Requests

    • When the above has finished processing . . .

    [1] Right-click on the title bar of the Administrator: Command Prompt Window > Edit > Select All.
    [2] Right-click on the title bar of the Administrator: Command Prompt Window again > Edit > Copy.

    • Paste the results into your post using the [CODE] tags . . .

    [3] In your post, click the Hashtag icon #.
    [4] Click INSIDE the [CODE]Here[CODE] tags and press the Ctrl + V keys together.

    • In your post it will look like this . . .

    Code:
    
    <<< Results here >>>
    

    I hope this helps.
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  3. Posts : 4,594
    Windows 10 Pro
       #3

    Turn off the Surge protector that we know you have your PC connected to after you shut it down. Your PC will never come on by itself again, until you turn the surge protector back on, and push the power button on your PC.



    I know but these are his exact 3rd sentence words "When I am done for the day, I usually end my day by turning OFF my PC" And he has OFF written in Caps

    He just has a wake timer still enabled.

    A computer can wake from sleep by even the slightest movement of the mouse. I turn my G700s off when I walk away from my PC for awhile.
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  4. Posts : 7
    Win 10 Pro (1909)
    Thread Starter
       #4

    [QUOTE=AddRAM;2165049]

    "Turn off the Surge protector that we know you have your PC connected to after you shut it down."

    But doing this undoes the sleep function, does it not?

    In my experience, if there's a power loss (either by turning off the surge protector or by a power outage) the sleep function is nullified and during the next power up, a full power up ensues instead of the desired quick "wake up". What happens to the files written to disk from RAM during the previous sleep function is a complete mystery to me.

    "Your PC will never come on by itself again, until you turn the surge protector back on, and push the power button on your PC."

    Yes, I'm quite aware of this. As stated in my original post, if I invoke a full shut down, my PC doesn't come on by itself either. So why would go to all the trouble to turn off the surge protector??? :P

    "I know but these are his exact 3rd sentence words "When I am done for the day, I usually end my day by turning OFF my PC" And he has OFF written in Caps"

    Maybe I wasn't 100% clear...

    I further explain, in my original post, that by turning off my PC that I usually use one of two methods. These two methods are either by using the sleep function or by the shut down function. During Mon-Thu, I normally use the sleep function as those are the days that I intend to return to my PC the next day. Fridays, I use the shut down method as I don't normally return to my PC until Monday morning... Boring, I know, but these days that is the norm. It wasn't always this way... :)

    "He just has a wake timer still enabled"

    As far as I know, all those settings in CMOS are turned off. If there's a setting in Win10 somewhere, I'm not aware of it. That's why I've sought help with this issue.

    Aside from the wasted additional power consumption, this issue is not a big deal, just an annoyance. Hence the title of this thread. :)
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  5. Posts : 5,872
    Windows 7 HP - Windows 10 Pro - Lubuntu
       #5

    Put the computer to sleep is not a power off. Power off is a shutdown or hibernation.

    Your computer is waking up from sleep due to a some activity. It can be a mouse movement, a net or internet call etc.

    Paul Black gave you some commands to execute and asked to you to paste here the results.
    Please do it.
    Last edited by Megahertz; 03 Mar 2021 at 20:51.
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  6. Posts : 7
    Win 10 Pro (1909)
    Thread Starter
       #6

    [QUOTE=Paul Black;2164951]Hello @PieLam,

    Hello @Paul,

    Thank you for posting your reply! I hope it will help & I hope that this will be acceptable. I varied your instructions a little. BTW, this is my first time ever seeing & using "powercfg". :)

    It's refreshing to see that there are still some good folks online sometimes that take the time to help others that don't always know EVERY thing!

    Code:
    --->> powercfg -DeviceQuery Wake_Armed ***
    C:\WINDOWS\system32>powercfg -DeviceQuery Wake_Armed
    HID Keyboard Device
    Realtek PCIe GbE Family Controller
    Logitech HID-compliant Unifying Mouse
    Logitech HID-compliant Unifying Mouse (001)
    HID-compliant mouse
    Logitech HID-compliant Unifying keyboard
    
    --->> C:\WINDOWS\system32>powercfg -DeviceQuery Wake_From_Any
    HID Keyboard Device
    USB Input Device (Logitech Download Assistant)
    USB Root Hub
    Logitech Microphone (Fusion)
    Logitech QuickCam Fusion
    Realtek PCIe GbE Family Controller
    PCI Bus
    PCI-to-PCI Bridge
    Logitech Download Assistant
    USB Mass Storage Device (002)
    Generic USB Hub (002)
    Generic STORAGE DEVICE USB Device
    Generic STORAGE DEVICE USB Device (001)
    Generic STORAGE DEVICE USB Device (002)
    Generic STORAGE DEVICE USB Device (003)
    Logitech HID-compliant Unifying device
    High Definition Audio Device
    USB Input Device
    USB Mass Storage Device (004)
    Logitech HID-compliant Unifying Mouse
    HID-compliant vendor-defined device
    USB Root Hub (001)
    HID-compliant vendor-defined device (001)
    SanDisk Cruzer Force USB Device
    USB Composite Device (002)
    Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
    Generic USB Hub (003)
    Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller (001)
    Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller (002)
    USB Root Hub (002)
    Logitech Unifying USB receiver
    PNY USB 2.0 FD USB Device
    Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller (003)
    Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller (004)
    Logitech HID-compliant Unifying device (001)
    Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
    Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller (001)
    USB Root Hub (003)
    USB Mass Storage Device (006)
    USB Root Hub (004)
    PCI-to-PCI Bridge (002)
    USB Mass Storage Device (007)
    Logitech Driver Interface
    SanDisk Cruzer Force USB Device (001)
    High Definition Audio Controller
    PCI-to-PCI Bridge (003)
    Logitech Driver Interface (001)
    PCI-to-PCI Bridge (004)
    USB Mass Storage Device (010)
    Logitech Driver Interface (002)
    USB Root Hub (005)
    USB Root Hub (USB 3.0) (001)
    HID-compliant vendor-defined device (004)
    HID-compliant system controller
    Etron USB 3.0 eXtensible Host Controller - 1.0 (Microsoft) (001)
    HID-compliant device
    HID-compliant consumer control device
    HID-compliant consumer control device (001)
    Logitech HID-compliant Unifying Mouse (001)
    HID-compliant mouse
    Logitech HID-compliant Unifying keyboard
    Logitech Driver Interface (003)
    Logitech Driver Interface (004)
    USB Root Hub (006)
    Logitech HID-compliant Unifying device (002)
    SanDisk Cruzer USB Device (002)
    Logitech HID-compliant Unifying device (003)
    
    --->> C:\WINDOWS\system32>powercfg -DeviceQuery Wake_Armedpowercfg -DeviceQuery Wake_Programmable
    Invalid Parameters -- try "/?" for help
    
    C:\WINDOWS\system32>powercfg -DeviceQuery Wake_Programmable
    HID Keyboard Device
    Realtek PCIe GbE Family Controller
    Logitech HID-compliant Unifying Mouse
    HID-compliant vendor-defined device
    HID-compliant vendor-defined device (001)
    HID-compliant vendor-defined device (004)
    HID-compliant system controller
    HID-compliant device
    HID-compliant consumer control device
    HID-compliant consumer control device (001)
    Logitech HID-compliant Unifying Mouse (001)
    HID-compliant mouse
    Logitech HID-compliant Unifying keyboard
    
    --->> C:\WINDOWS\system32>powercfg -LastWake
    Wake History Count - 1
    Wake History [0]
      Wake Source Count - 0
    
    --->> C:\WINDOWS\system32>powercfg -Requests
    DISPLAY:
    None.
    
    SYSTEM:
    None.
    
    AWAYMODE:
    None.
    
    EXECUTION:
    None.
    
    PERFBOOST:
    None.
    
    ACTIVELOCKSCREEN:
    None.
    
    
    C:\WINDOWS\system32>

    The end *** :)
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  7. Posts : 1,200
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       #7

    Yes, waking from sleep is still much, MUCH faster than powering up or waking from hibernate. (Even, if you have a fast SSD and have enabled Fast Startup in Windows 10, as well as have configured Windows 10 to automatically log you in at every startup.) Mouse movements do not cause any wakeups for me. Mouse clicks, yes. But definitely not mouse movements! (For reference, I use a Logitech G402 "Hyperion Fury" corded optical mouse.) I don't know which cheap inferior brands others might be using, but I do know for a fact that decent mice do NOT have the problem of random mouse movements waking the computer from sleep.

    That said, all I do is go in Device Manager, where I can expand the list of Network adapters, then right-click on the hardware item that's causing these inadvertent wakeups. This will bring up a window panel with a Power Management tab that you can pick by clicking on it. On this tab, there's a checkbox labelled "Allow this device to wake the computer from sleep". Once unchecked, after I click on the OK button, usually the problem is already solved. But, just to be entirely sure, I also go on the Advanced tab, where I can set the Wake-On-LAN, Wake/Activate after 'Magic Packet', and/or 'Pattern Matching' features to disabled.
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  8. Posts : 7
    Win 10 Pro (1909)
    Thread Starter
       #8

    [QUOTE=hdmi:

    [I] "Yes, waking from sleep is still much, MUCH faster than powering up ..."


    Definitely!

    "I do know for a fact that decent mice do NOT have the problem of random mouse movements waking the computer from sleep."

    I don't know what the deal is exactly... I too have almost always used a Logitech branded mouse. My current mouse is a Logitech M705 or Logitech Marathon as it's AKA. It was part of a Logitech keyboard & mouse combo that I'd bought from Amazon.com a while back. They're both wireless & I'm quite happy with both of them. My mouse doesn't wake up the PC either, well mouse movements don't, I've never tried mouse clicks. I thought these wake up methods were just a Win10 improvement since mouse movements did wake up my PC in Win7.

    "That said, all I do is go in Device Manager..."

    That, to me, sounds like it would do the trick. Thanx so much!!!

    "... usually the problem is already solved. But, just to be entirely sure, I also go on the Advanced tab, where I can set the Wake-On-LAN, Wake/Activate after 'Magic Packet', and/or 'Pattern Matching' features to disabled.

    I'll be sure to do that too. Thanx again!

    - - - Updated - - -

    Megahertz said:
    :
    "Put the computer to sleep is not a power off. Power off is a shutdown or hibernation."

    Your opinion, not mine... To me, since the computer's fans are off, in sleep mode, the power just is sort of off anyway, just not completely. When ATX power supplies were first introduced, PCs stopped being truly powered Off by the PC's power button. I was very much around back then. Therefore, "Power off" means different things to different folks... I may have used "power off" in the wrong way, but with the advent of ATX technology, even a complete shut down is not a true "Power off" anymore. So who's really wrong?

    "Your computer is waking up from sleep due to a some activity. It can be a mouse movement, a net or internet call etc."

    My PC doesn't wake up by mouse movement anymore, it did in Win7 but not in Win10. So, like I said, some Idiot program or some weird setting is doing these random wake ups.

    I've read a few things in the past about this very issue. the conclusion was that some driver or some such was the cause of these wake ups. I just want to stop this BS.

    "Paul Black gave you some commands to execute and asked to you to paste here the results.
    Please do it."

    I did!
    Last edited by PieLam; 04 Mar 2021 at 12:06.
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  9. Posts : 5,872
    Windows 7 HP - Windows 10 Pro - Lubuntu
       #9

    When you power off or hibernate, only 5VSB (stand by +5V) is on. The others voltages (3.3; 5; 12 & -12) are off and everything is off.
    On sleep mode, all voltages are on, also memory, chipset , CPU etc are on, only running at very low state.

    Have seen many computers that were on or in sleep mode, completely burned after a lighting striking the power line many miles away.
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  10. Posts : 1,200
    11 Home
       #10

    Megahertz said:
    When you power off or hibernate, only 5VSB (stand by +5V) is on. The others voltages (3.3; 5; 12 & -12) are off and everything is off.
    On sleep mode, all voltages are on, also memory, chipset , CPU etc are on, only running at very low state.

    Have seen many computers that were on or in sleep mode, completely burned after a lighting striking the power line many miles away.
    I always go on battery power before the lightning strike happens.
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