1.    18 Aug 2015 #1
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    My Windows 10 feedback


    Background:
    I have had Win 8.1 installed on both my desktop and laptop. I ABSOLUTELY HATE the Windows 8 standard start screen. To resolve the issue, I have installed Classic Shell on both computers. Given that addition, Win 8 is pretty good.
    I also installed the Insider preview builds of Win 10 in a virtual machine on my desktop. I reported one problem to MS and it was fixed on the subsequent build. I submitted suggestions regarding the Start Menu but they were not implemented.

    Here's what I experienced with a Win 10 upgrade on my laptop:
    1. The upgrade process itself was flawless.
    2. After the upgrade, my ClassicShell program was uninstalled. I downloaded and installed the latest version and it works well. (more on that later)
    3. After the upgrade, there was no access to my network and networked printers. I manually enabled file and printer sharing and had access to the network but the printers were not available.
    4. I used the standard Windows process to find network printers but it didn't find them. I had to manually add them and they worked afterwards
    5. My touchpad didn't work. A subsequent Windows update fixed the problem but it took a few days to get the update.
    6. My microphone didn't work (Via HD Audio on an ASUS laptop). I spent a week trying many alternatives but finally got it working with help from ASUS tech support. See the following thread for more info: Via HD Audio - Sound and Mic not working - Windows 10 Forums
    7. I use the desktop version of Skype. I don't have it set up to load at Windows start. I only load it when I want to use it and exit afterward. In Win 10, Skype for desktop loads and works correctly but you can't exit it after it is loaded unless you go into Task manager and end the task.
    8. I don't have a compelling reason to update my desktop but I've decided to delay updating for a few months until more Win 10 bugs are resolved. I'm only upgrading to stay current.


    So far everything seems to be working.

    My opinion of Win 10:
    • In addition to the standard e-mail and browser programs, I have a large number of programs installed for audio, video, and photo creation/editing as well as web development tools. The Win 8 start screen was totally unusable given the large number of programs. I installed ClassicShell and chose the "Classic Style" menu (i.e. Win 98 style). This allows me to add cascading menus to the start menu and group my programs by category (video, photo, music, etc) making them much easier to find.
    • Most of the writers who review Win 10 are glowing in their praise. I suspect that, after Win 8, this is a little like "no longer banging your head against the wall. It feels so good when you stop!" While the return of the start menu in Win 10 is welcome, it is a feeble effort. The right side of the menu with the tiles is no better than the Win 8 start screen. The left side of the menu is totally inflexible. All programs are arranged alphabetically and you can't change this. This may be acceptable if you have a small number of programs. However, it is unwieldy if you have a large number of programs. Thank goodness for ClassicShell. I can restore my Classic style menu with it's user defined cascading menus.
    • After installing ClassicShell, Win 10 is pretty good but I don't see a huge improvement over Win 8 with ClassicShell.
    • I like Cortana but so far it seems more like a novelty rather than a really useful tool. My opinion of this may change as I use it more.
    • I really don't like most of the apps. They are obviously designed for a smartphone. They appear childish on a 28" monitor. Most of them are far too limited in scope to be useful beyond basic tasks.
    • I'm not a "gamer" so I really can't fully comment on the game environment. The only games that I use are Solitaire and Minesweeper. I might play them for a few minutes while I'm waiting for a video to render. The Win 10 application of these games attempts to sign on to the XBox server. For me, this takes unnecessary time and effort. (I think they did the same thing in Win 8). I just want these games to load locally and quickly like they did in older versions of Windows. At least it would have been nice to have that option.


    I'd be interested to hear the opinions of others.
    Last edited by dsscottage; 18 Aug 2015 at 12:05.
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  2.    18 Aug 2015 #2

    Quote Originally Posted by dsscottage View Post
    Background:
    I have had Win 8.1 installed on both my desktop and laptop. I ABSOLUTELY HATE the Windows 8 standard start screen. To resolve the issue, I have installed Classic Shell on both computers. Given that addition, Win 8 is pretty good.
    I also installed the Insider preview builds of Win 10 in a virtual machine on my desktop. I reported one problem to MS and it was fixed on the subsequent build. I submitted suggestions regarding the Start Menu but they were not implemented.

    Here's what I experienced with a Win 10 upgrade on my laptop:
    1. The upgrade process itself was flawless.
    2. After the upgrade, my ClassicShell program was uninstalled. I downloaded and installed the latest version and it works well. (more on that later)
    3. After the upgrade, there was no access to my network and networked printers. I manually enabled file and printer sharing and had access to the network but the printers were not available.
    4. I used the standard Windows process to find network printers but it didn't find them. I had to manually add them and they worked afterwards
    5. My touchpad didn't work. A subsequent Windows update fixed the problem but it took a few days to get the update.
    6. My microphone didn't work (Via HD Audio on an ASUS laptop). I spent a week trying many alternatives but finally got it working with help from ASUS tech support. See the following thread for more info: Via HD Audio - Sound and Mic not working - Windows 10 Forums
    7. I don't have a compelling reason to update my desktop but I've decided to delay updating for a few months until more Win 10 bugs are resolved. I'm only upgrading to stay current.


    So far everything seems to be working.

    My opinion of Win 10:
    • In addition to the standard e-mail and browser programs, I have a large number of programs installed for audio, video, and photo creation/editing as well as web development tools. The Win 8 start screen was totally unusable given the large number of programs. I installed ClassicShell and chose the "Classic Style" menu (i.e. Win 98 style). This allows me to add cascading menus to the start menu and group my programs by category (video, photo, music, etc) making them much easier to find.
    • Most of the writers who review Win 10 are glowing in their praise. I suspect that, after Win 8, this is a little like "no longer banging your head against the wall. It feels so good when you stop!" While the return of the start menu in Win 10 is welcome, it is a feeble effort. The right side of the menu with the tiles is no better than the Win 8 start screen. The left side of the menu is totally inflexible. All programs are arranged alphabetically and you can't change this. This may be acceptable if you have a small number of programs. However, it is unwieldy if you have a large number of programs. Thank goodness for ClassicShell. I can restore my Classic style menu with it's user defined cascading menus.
    • After installing ClassicShell, Win 10 is pretty good but I don't see a huge improvement over Win 8 with ClassicShell.
    • I like Cortana but so far it seems more like a novelty rather than a really useful tool. My opinion of this may change as I use it more.
    • I really don't like most of the apps. They are obviously designed for a smartphone. They appear childish on a 28" monitor. Most of them are far too limited in scope to be useful beyond basic tasks.
    • I'm not a "gamer" so I really can't fully comment on the game environment. The only games that I use are Solitaire and Minecraft. I might play them for a few minutes while I'm waiting for a video to render. The Win 10 application of these games attempts to sign on to the XBox server. For me, this takes unnecessary time and effort. (I think they did the same thing in Win 8). I just want these games to load locally and quickly like they did in older versions of Windows. At least it would have been nice to have that option.


    I'd be interested to hear the opinions of others.
    Hi there

    You can load the W7 version of those games (Solitaire, Spider solitaire, Hearts etc) on W10 --just search the Forum. They work just like W7 -- No ads either.

    For the rest W10 works on the whole just fine -- especially for desktops.

    I never liked the "Kiddy" mobile phone interface on W8 either --something like AOL had way back in 1996 !!!.

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    jimbo
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  3.    18 Aug 2015 #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    You can load the W7 version of those games (Solitaire, Spider solitaire, Hearts etc) on W10 --just search the Forum. They work just like W7 -- No ads either.

    For the rest W10 works on the whole just fine -- especially for desktops.


    jimbo
    Thanks jimbo,

    Just downloaded and installed. Works like a charm!

    Cheers!
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  4.    18 Aug 2015 #4
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    Windows 10

    I think if Microsoft wants to keep people loyal to their OS, they still have ways to go. While I think Windows 10 will be a very good OS and is a huge return to form with new features to boot, "the New Microsoft" is still a no-show in regards to communicating with their customers. This has particularly shown to be the case as many users have been unable to install cumulative updates - Microsoft has made no mention of and offered no fix to these problems. The fixes need to be easily accessible and timely. If they want to stay relevant in an iOS / OSX / Android world, this isn't cutting it. Sure, plenty of Windows enthusiasts may say, "all it takes is some commands, tweaks, etc....," but that's not good enough. Today's consumer wants accessible service and accessible answers, and I find this first test under Windows 10 quite disappointing.

    But again, as for the OS itself, it has a lot of promise. Lets hope they don't squander it by continuing to solidify their bad reputation in customer relations. Maybe they used to be able to afford to do it it as the dominant OS, but they aren't anymore. They need to act like it.
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  5.    19 Aug 2015 #5
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    Win 10 Pro X64, Win 10 Home X64, Win 7
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotnar View Post
    I think if Microsoft wants to keep people loyal to their OS, they still have ways to go. While I think Windows 10 will be a very good OS and is a huge return to form with new features to boot, "the New Microsoft" is still a no-show in regards to communicating with their customers. This has particularly shown to be the case as many users have been unable to install cumulative updates - Microsoft has made no mention of and offered no fix to these problems. The fixes need to be easily accessible and timely. If they want to stay relevant in an iOS / OSX / Android world, this isn't cutting it. Sure, plenty of Windows enthusiasts may say, "all it takes is some commands, tweaks, etc....," but that's not good enough. Today's consumer wants accessible service and accessible answers, and I find this first test under Windows 10 quite disappointing.

    But again, as for the OS itself, it has a lot of promise. Lets hope they don't squander it by continuing to solidify their bad reputation in customer relations. Maybe they used to be able to afford to do it it as the dominant OS, but they aren't anymore. They need to act like it.
    I have had some "interesting" experience with MS support.

    • Almost 2 years ago, I bought a new computer with Win 8. I installed an SSD in the system and had a hard time installing my OEM Win 8 version on the SSD (long story but part of the story is that I bought an upgrade to Win 8 Pro as part of the solution) After a successful installation, I could network everything on my network except an older Win XP machine. Ultimately, I contacted MS tech support. One of their reps (from Malaysia) spent almost 3 hours on the phone with me, remotely taking control of both computers and solved the problem. I was pleasantly amazed by this service.
    • During the Insiders preview of Win 10, I submitted one problem that I found. It was fixed on the next release.
    • On the other hand, I believe that they are stubbornly sticking to their "one Windows for all platforms" strategy even though that strategy seems to be widely condemned for desktop applications.
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  6.    19 Aug 2015 #6
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    Dual boot Windows 10 FCU Pro x 64 & current Insider 10 Pro

    I see that species still gather in groups.


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  7.    15 Oct 2015 #7

    After 2 months now with Windows 10, it reminds me of a modern day, no-frills, $13,000/4-cylinder automobile. It will get you where you're going, but it is very delicate. Hit a small pothole and there goes your alignment. (i.e. BSOD)
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