File action gets reversed ie deletion, move, rename etc, pls help

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  1. Posts : 103
    10, server 2016, server2012
       #1

    File action gets reversed ie deletion, move, rename etc, pls help


    so I am doing a bunch of file sorting/editing. problem I'm facing is the action I do gets undone by windows and I'm not sure what is causing this. lists below:

    - deleted files into bin would be moved back
    - renamed files change it's name back
    - copy and pasted file would disappear
    - moved files would move back to its prior location

    my guess is some sort of corruption in undo thats tied to memory? but corruption in what? has anyone experienced this before and know how to fix this?
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  2. Posts : 11,640
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 21H2 Build 19044.1776
       #2

    I have not seen a report of this type before.

    Please can I just check that you are not merely facing a Refresh problem?
    - deleted files into bin would be moved back - you saw the file disappear from its original location and then reappear later?
    - renamed files change it's name back - you saw the new filename and then the old filename reappeared later?
    - copy and pasted file would disappear - you saw the file appear in its pasted location and then disappear later?
    - moved files would move back to its prior location - you saw the file disappear from its original location and then reappear later?

    Denis
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  3. Posts : 103
    10, server 2016, server2012
    Thread Starter
       #3

    Try3 said:
    I have not seen a report of this type before.

    Please can I just check that you are not merely facing a Refresh problem?
    - deleted files into bin would be moved back - you saw the file disappear from its original location and then reappear later?
    - renamed files change it's name back - you saw the new filename and then the old filename reappeared later?
    - copy and pasted file would disappear - you saw the file appear in its pasted location and then disappear later?
    - moved files would move back to its prior location - you saw the file disappear from its original location and then reappear later?

    Denis
    yes. this is a major issue when comes sorting my files because If I cant trust windows with the action I made then im not sure what to do.

    I was only able to catch this problem very clearly is because the files im editing/sorting directly relates to a game im editing and it affects the game, otherwise I wouldnt have even noticed it.
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  4. Posts : 11,640
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 21H2 Build 19044.1776
       #4

    All I can suggest is using ChkDsk & then possibly other disk utilities to check the health of the disk itself - I've seen Hard disk sentinel suggested in several other forum threads.

    Best of luck,
    Denis
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  5. Posts : 103
    10, server 2016, server2012
    Thread Starter
       #5

    Try3 said:
    All I can suggest is using ChkDsk & then possibly other disk utilities to check the health of the disk itself - I've seen Hard disk sentinel suggested in several other forum threads.

    Best of luck,
    Denis
    im using optane SSD, though I can guarantee its not the drive health, window corruption happens often. does chkdsk help with corruption of any kind?
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  6. Posts : 11,640
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 21H2 Build 19044.1776
       #6

    ChkDsk checks the file system and I think that is what might be faulty.
    Chkdsk - TechNet {this will probably redirect to MSDocs}
    chkdsk - SS64

    Personally, I would use Fsutil first to check if the drive was 'dirty' as well. But you'd have seen it trying automatic scanning on boot if that was the case.
    Code:
    fsutil dirty query  C:
    Fsutil - TechNet
    Fsutil - SS64

    You are running optimisation regularly? SSDs need to be 'trimmed' & they also need defragging every so often. I only ask because I have never seen a description of what happens if it is never done.
    my SSD trim-defrag ditty {post #4} - TenForums
    - I have never had Optane & know very little about it so it might be worth searching the forum for that in case other Optane users have seen similar problems.

    The reason I'm not suggesting SFC & the like is that the problems showing up relate to several different Windows functions so the disk seems to be the common factor.
    - I assume you do not have a third-party disk utility that might be misbehaving? Booting into Safe mode would be a way of telling if third-party software was having an effect.

    Denis
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  7. Posts : 103
    10, server 2016, server2012
    Thread Starter
       #7

    Try3 said:
    ChkDsk checks the file system and I think that is what might be faulty.
    Chkdsk - TechNet {this will probably redirect to MSDocs}
    chkdsk - SS64

    Personally, I would use Fsutil first to check if the drive was 'dirty' as well. But you'd have seen it trying automatic scanning on boot if that was the case.
    Code:
    fsutil dirty query  C:
    Fsutil - TechNet
    Fsutil - SS64

    You are running optimisation regularly? SSDs need to be 'trimmed' & they also need defragging every so often. I only ask because I have never seen a description of what happens if it is never done.
    my SSD trim-defrag ditty {post #4} - TenForums
    - I have never had Optane & know very little about it so it might be worth searching the forum for that in case other Optane users have seen similar problems.

    The reason I'm not suggesting SFC & the like is that the problems showing up relate to several different Windows functions so the disk seems to be the common factor.
    - I assume you do not have a third-party disk utility that might be misbehaving? Booting into Safe mode would be a way of telling if third-party software was having an effect.

    Denis
    Optane SSD does not need trim because its not made of flash cells, just different technology all together. defrag would help tiny bit on flash SSD though in process reducing flash lifespan. most modern flash SSD does not need defrag because their firmware is written very well to point the performance gain is puny compare to that of mechanical hard drive, not to mention flash SSD nowadays has garbage collection, trim and other features.

    anyway I have ran chkdsk and doesnt show any issue, I'll report back if happens again. I have since rebooted so will see how it goes.
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  8. Posts : 11,640
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 21H2 Build 19044.1776
       #8

    Optane SSD does not need trim
    I do appreciate that Optane memory is a different technology about which I know nothing. I did notice that you referred to it as 'SSD' but that is somewhat inaccurate. Defrag & trim are not relevant to Optane [a type of memory cache].

    most modern flash SSD does not need defrag
    Not according to the MS articles I gave you the link to.

    flash SSD nowadays has garbage collection, trim
    They do not trim themselves. Windows or a maker's utility does that.

    Best of luck,
    Denis
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  9. Posts : 834
    Windows 10 Pro 64bit 21H2 19044.1806
       #9

    m18xr2 said:
    - deleted files into bin would be moved back
    - renamed files change it's name back
    - copy and pasted file would disappear
    - moved files would move back to its prior location
    Worth asking considering these all could happen easily by inadvertently hitting Ctr - Z ( Windows Undo ) if focus is simply on the desktop.

    That or perhaps you've remapped a hot key to Ctrl - Z.
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  10. Posts : 103
    10, server 2016, server2012
    Thread Starter
       #10

    Try3 said:
    I do appreciate that Optane memory is a different technology about which I know nothing. I did notice that you referred to it as 'SSD' but that is somewhat inaccurate. Defrag & trim are not relevant to Optane [a type of memory cache].
    Not according to the MS articles I gave you the link to.

    They do not trim themselves. Windows or a maker's utility does that.
    Best of luck,
    Denis
    the individual SSD review website states otherwise, no need to defrag and it works fine. optane tech is much better than flash but thats getting off topic here though.


    Farvatten said:
    Worth asking considering these all could happen easily by inadvertently hitting Ctr - Z ( Windows Undo ) if focus is simply on the desktop. That or perhaps you've remapped a hot key to Ctrl - Z.
    I have not remapped any keys. I do use a software call tenclips which gives up to 10 clipboards through ctrl 1 to ctrl 10 (though I only enabled up to 3 max), I don't think it has any effect on anything though.
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