Problems moving data from W7 to W10

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    Problems moving data from W7 to W10


    I'm moving my wife's data from her W7 laptop to a W10 laptop (W10 home 1903, build 18362.836) and I'm hitting problems. I've transferred her data fine but: 1. I cannot access her thunderbird profile which is at users/../.../roaming/Thunderbird/profiles/...... I get access denied. How do I gain access? 2. Similar thing with another program where I am told the User access control has blocked my access to this program for my protection. How do I gain access from UAC? Thank you.
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    11, 10, 8.1 and 7 all Professional versions, and Linux Mint
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    Re the Thunderbird profile
    Please see here
    Profiles - Where Thunderbird stores your messages and other user data | Thunderbird Help

    under heading
    Restoring to a different location

    Re the actual problem you mention I cannot decide if you mean the access denied is to the profile on 7 to copy it or to the new profile on 10 - to install the copied one from 7.
    Possible cause on 10 is your Anti-Virus - if it is not Defender I suggest you check that aspect
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    Thank you for taking the time to reply. It's all my fault. I made a backup of the Windows 7 C drive using Macrium and was "exploring" that Macrium backup out of convenience. That's my problem. In the backup I was not allowed to access that file (something about permissions). But on the original W7 laptop I had no trouble accessing the profile folders and copying them to a flashdrive. So my problem is solved and was all of my own making. Macrium may have even permitted me to "restore" the backed up folder to the W10 laptop but I did not want to try that because of possible location or other problems between the 2 different OSs. The UAC problem persists. How do I get UAC to allow this old program to be accessed under W10? The program is "Classic Shell" which my wife likes. It replaces the regular Windows menu. In the W10 laptop, after booting I get a popup that says "Classic Shell needs to configure itself for the new operating system". When I click OK, a User Access Control popup appears that reads something like "This app has been blocked for your protection" etc. I close this popup because there is nothing else I can do and Classic Shell seems to work just fine. But I would like to resolve this because it would freak my wife who is technophobic. PS. All my line breaks disappear on this forum. Makes my replies hard to read. How do I keep line breaks? I tried inserting and that displays correctly on the "preview" but not when it is submitted. Javascript? How do I correct this? It is only on this webforum.
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    11, 10, 8.1 and 7 all Professional versions, and Linux Mint
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    I do not recommend you use classic shell on the latest version or indeed the one before on windows 10
    I have read of a few problems with it
    However if your wife really insists on using it I suspect the causer may be as mentioned on my first reply
    Possible cause on 10 is your Anti-Virus - if it is not Defender what is it please

    PLUS and more importantly perhaps if it this classic shell
    Classic Shell - Start menu and other Windows enhancements

    I certainly would urge you NOT to use it, a program such as that, is a security risk. The app is not being developed and therefore MAY possibly prove a weak point as far as security.
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    Curious said:
    ... It's all my fault. I made a backup of the Windows 7 C drive using Macrium and was "exploring" that Macrium backup out of convenience. That's my problem. In the backup I was not allowed to access that file (something about permissions).....

    When mounting a Macrium image there's a box you can tick to 'Enable access to restricted folders'. By default it's not ticked, so the permissions within the image apply. Tick it to bypass all the ntfs permissions in the image.

    Problems moving data from W7 to W10-macrium-enable-access-restricted-folders.png
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  6. Posts : 291
    Windows 10
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    Bree said:
    When mounting a Macrium image there's a box you can tick to 'Enable access to restricted folders'. By default it's not ticked, so the permissions within the image apply. Tick it to bypass all the ntfs permissions in the image.
    Thanks. I did not notice that. Good to know.
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  8. Posts : 291
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    Macboatmaster said:
    I do not recommend you use classic shell on the latest version or indeed the one before on windows 10 I have read of a few problems with it However if your wife really insists on using it I suspect the causer may be as mentioned on my first reply Possible cause on 10 is your Anti-Virus - if it is not Defender what is it please PLUS and more importantly perhaps if it this classic shell Classic Shell - Start menu and other Windows enhancements I certainly would urge you NOT to use it, a program such as that, is a security risk. The app is not being developed and therefore MAY possibly prove a weak point as far as security.
    Thank you for your advice about Classic Shell. The version she uses is a very old one (4.3.1) and you now have me concerned because I too use Classic Shell. Is this "general advice" to not use any program that are no longer developped (which I understand) or specifically about Classic Shell? Should she switch to the latest developped version "Open Shell" under development on github? Do others agree that Classic Shell is a significant risk? The Antivirus she uses is Microsoft's Defender.
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    Win10 Version 21H2 Pro and Home, Win11 Pro
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    An issue of using older discontinued software is in getting support if something goes wrong and can be attributed to a particular program. I still use some older programs on Win10, namely WordPerfect Version 12 and Lotus SmartSuite Version 98 but the chance of problems is on me if something happens.
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    11, 10, 8.1 and 7 all Professional versions, and Linux Mint
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    Is this "general advice" to not use any program that are no longer developped (which I understand) or specifically about Classic Shell?
    Not specifically about Classic Shell
    About any app is not being developed

    It is a little detailed to explain fully, but the essence is that if an app is not being developed, then any bugs in it from the aspect of working with new versions of 10 are going to stay there, and it is not always obvious what is causing the problems.
    By that I mean and I am not being patronising - it does not produce a pop up saying the problems are caused by Classic Shell.
    Plus which Classic Shell installs a number of Dynamic Link Library - DLL files and they rely on some Windows system DLL file to work.
    When certain types of malware, even the more basic types - are acquired, perhaps from some free software download, and certainly from torrents and the like, they often rely on finding a security weakness, a common example is out of date flash player or out of date Adobe reader and certainly was java.
    It would be quite possible for such to find a weakness in classic shell.

    Personally I would keep away from it - including Open Shell.
    CERTAINLY without doubt you should not use Classic Shell
    Open Shell released November 2019 is 4.4.142

    This is an old link but before you consider Open Shell I advise you read it, it deals with some aspects of the risk I have outlined
    PSA: Classic Shell is now Open Shell Menu – and a warning | Born's Tech and Windows World

    I do not know what changes have been made to improve the security risk, if there is NOW one, but I have always taken the view that any risk should be eliminated as far as possible rather than relying on your system protection to discover a threat and eliminate it before it installs malware on your computer. I DO not MEAN that OpenShell is in any manner a threat in itself, the threat if there is one, is from Malware exploiting the weakness in OpenShell
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