Windows 10 Is PHOTO program/app necessary

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  1. Posts : 3
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       #1

    Windows 10 Is PHOTO program/app necessary


    Hi, newbie who is ripping hair out with Windows 10.
    Is is OK to just have all my photos in a folder on the desktop? (I never use the cloud) and I can very easily get sub-folders in there.
    Do I need to use the frustrating Photo program that came with Win 10 for anything?
    I can't move things into folders I want, paste doesn't work, I can't rename things (found it in Explorer) but the whole thing is useless to me, I cannot manipulate anything and it is not intuitive.
    I have heaps of photos to sort from my old Windows 7 laptop (love).
    Some downloaded photos were automatically put in different folders not of my choice and too difficult to do what I want.
    Please help (it will also help others as I will pass it on to friends who no longer use their computers (except for email) since having Windows 10. And I'm a Volunteer radio operator at Marine Rescue, no-one could use Win 10 so we reverted back to Win 7 which we are still using!
    THANK YOU
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  2. dalchina's Avatar
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    Win 10 Pro (1903)
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    Hi, you can actually use Win 10 in many of the ways you were familiar with in Win 7, inasmuch as you can download and install many of the same programs- Irfanview, say.

    You can totally ignore the UWP apps such as Groove, Photos etc if you wish. I only use a couple occasionally- although the graphics can be rather slick.

    You can use a much better start menu that can look like the one you are familiar with in Win 7 - Open shell (free). skinnable, full support of drag 'n drop, search- very configurable.

    You can use folders in just the same way - create your own, put what you want in them.
    Is is OK to just have all my photos in a folder on the desktop?
    Bad idea to keep lots on the desktop- that's been said for many years.

    Good idea to keep personal data on a different partition or disk- not in a folder on C:
    Why? Because if you have to clean install Windows, your personal data is then unaffected, making your life so much simpler and lower risk.

    Some downloaded photos were automatically put in different folders not of my choice and too difficult to do what I want.
    This may depend on your browser and how you have it configured.

    You don't have to use Edge- you can use Firefox, Opera- download and install your favourite browser.

    Here you can see Open Shell (one configuration) - with the Orb from Win 7- and my file explorer with 2 or 3 ways of modifying things to provide transparency, rounded corners, coloured backgrounds which apply elsewhere too.
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    Don't be discouraged- but do beware of being cautious about upgrades with Win 10.

    If you have Home, there are free utilities you can use to take control of updates.

    And use disk imaging routinely as ever (and with Win 7) to protect yourself. E,g, Macrium Reflect (free).
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  3. Posts : 3
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       #3

    Wow, thank you so much for your help dalchina!
    I've saved screenshots of your info and will go through more thoroughly as I have to look up some things, and nearly 9pm in Australia and late for dinner .... because of Win 10.
    At least I know that I don't have to use it (except for screenshots I just discovered hahahaha), I moved those over to a HELP folder on the desktop :)
    I use the Firefox browser and yes I have the Home version of Win 10 so will look into controlling updates.
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  4. dalchina's Avatar
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    Win 10 Pro (1903)
       #4

    You're welcome- like anything, takes a while to adapt- I hated the appearance when it first came out so rapidly reused what I'd been using with Win 8.

    You don't need Photos for screenshots either... nothing special about those- they are just image files. Remember, you can change the default program a file type opens with to anything installed and registered (when it installs) to handle that extension fairly readily.
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  5. sygnus21's Avatar
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    Win 10 Pro (x64) 20H2 (19042.928)
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    LuLuLu said:
    Hi, newbie who is ripping hair out with Windows 10.
    Is is OK to just have all my photos in a folder on the desktop? (I never use the cloud) and I can very easily get sub-folders in there.
    Do I need to use the frustrating Photo program that came with Win 10 for anything?
    I can't move things into folders I want, paste doesn't work, I can't rename things (found it in Explorer) but the whole thing is useless to me, I cannot manipulate anything and it is not intuitive.
    I have heaps of photos to sort from my old Windows 7 laptop (love).
    Some downloaded photos were automatically put in different folders not of my choice and too difficult to do what I want.
    Please help (it will also help others as I will pass it on to friends who no longer use their computers (except for email) since having Windows 10. And I'm a Volunteer radio operator at Marine Rescue, no-one could use Win 10 so we reverted back to Win 7 which we are still using!
    THANK YOU
    As a photographer with all types of photos on my PC, I store mine on a separate drive in my system, and organize by folders. No need to be stuck in Pictures folder.

    As for a viewer, I use the Photos app for quick views and have no issues. I can view jpegs, tiff, or NEF (Nikon RAW) files without issue. However, I'll also use my photo editor when I need to view things in a color managed environment.

    Since I'm a Photoshop and Lightroom user I sometimes view images in Adobe Bride (a free app) or Lightroom itself. Point is I don't need to rely on the Windows Photos app.

    All that said what's concerning and doesn't make sense is the fact you say.... "I can't move things into folders I want, paste doesn't work, I can't rename things". Unless you don't own the PC, you should be able to cut, copy, paste, move files your images to where you want so your statement is a but odd. Can you clarify this?

    As for image edits, you can do some simple stuff in the Photos app like crop, add filter effect , or some basic stuff, but honestly the Photos app is not designed to replace a full fledged photo editor so if you need an editor you might look on line for a third party app here. I don't really have any suggestions off the top of my head since I exclusively use Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom paid paid subscription service.

    Please clarify the can't move or paste statement.

    Thanks.
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  6. The Pool Man's Avatar
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    LuLuLu said:
    no-one could use Win 10 so we reverted back to Win 7
    Hi LuLuLu,

    About once a week a post appears on this board from a newbie member. They trash Windows 10 six ways and sideways. I sense some people are really frustrated. I sense others are trolls... people who are here to post fake horror stories to whatever end. Usually these people post their complaints and never return.

    I will not accuse you of either. I'm posting this for others who might drift by this site and observe your words.

    I used Apple only for 29 years. Months short of THREE DECADES. You want to talk about something being different? HOLD MY BEER. From my point of view Windows 10 is at least 10 years behind Mac OS. And that's being polite.

    So I would tell a Mac user not to even look at Windows 10? Nope. Because, at the end of the day, an operating system is an operating system is an operating system. Just because Windows 10 does something different from Windows 7 doesn't make 7 better. If that were true, I could tell you all of Windows... EVERY VERSION... is garbage compared to Mac OS.

    The statement 'no one could use Win 10' tells me more about the users than the product. It's not that different. If I can use Windows 10 -- anyone can. But by anyone I mean someone who is willing to learn how to properly use a modern operating system like Windows, Mac OS, and Linux. I don't try to make it do what I'm used to. I try to use it's best features and ignore the crappy ones.

    Thanks to iPhones and Android -- many people want to use 'computers' with interfaces brain dead simple. Win10 and Mac OS are not simple in comparison to phone OSes. Not even close. Which is why Windows is working on something called Windows 10X -- which like iPad OS and Chromebook OS -- is a very simplified interface.

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    But with simplicity goes functionality. For more pro users (Hi!) that's eyeroll city. Usually when an OS gets simple like this it also locks you into that company's product lines. You know how you're asking if you must use Windows photo app? Well in simple operating systems that is typically a yes.

    So if you want to use your PC your way -- you have to learn Windows 10. Be patient with Windows 10. I'm frankly impressed on how much better it is than I expected. 10 years behind in the OS game isn't the worst... because... they're typically very minor things.

    For instance -- I like the Mac OS Finder better than Windows Explorer. Where the former is nice and clean, the latter is a mess. However, does the Window Explorer work? Yes. Better question: is it good enough for now? Sure.

    Be patient. There's a new guy in charge of the Windows OS and as much as Panos annoys me I can tell this is the first designer Windows has seen in decades. He previewed two portable products that told me everything I need to know about Microsoft's future. I got the same feeling I used to get with Steve Jobs but NEVER got with Tim Crook.
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  7. sygnus21's Avatar
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       #7

    I'll put it this way... owning a PC (whether Mac or Windows) is an active endeavor not a passive one.

    If you chose to be passive you'll be frustrated. If you choose to be active you'll learn a lot.

    My two cents.
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  8. The Pool Man's Avatar
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    sygnus21 said:
    I'll put it this way... owning a PC (whether Mac or Windows) is an active endeavor not a passive one.

    If you chose to be passive you'll be frustrated. If you choose to be active you'll learn a lot.

    My two cents.
    I wish I had said that. Would have saved me about 20 minutes. :)
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  9. thomaseg1's Avatar
    Posts : 13,332
    Windows 10 Pro (x64) 20H2 19042.804 & 21327.1000
       #9

    sygnus21 said:
    I'll put it this way... owning a PC (whether Mac or Windows) is an active endeavor not a passive one.

    If you chose to be passive you'll be frustrated. If you choose to be active you'll learn a lot.

    My two cents.

    That is worth more than two cents!
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  10. sygnus21's Avatar
    Posts : 5,390
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    It's one I developed at another site in replay to those complaining Windows has too many changes.

    People think using a computer should be easy without need to adapt to technology changes. No, if you decide to own a PC you need to understand technology marches on. Those refusing to adapt will be lost. You either become a passive bystander or active participant willing to learn new things. It's a choice you choose.
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