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  1. graywoulf's Avatar
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       #61

    Caledon Ken said:
    Wouldn't worry about D:, it is tiny. Do you know what G: is. I saw in your screen shot but does not show in disk management.
    Apparently, G: is the old Windows 7 OS. I was wondering why I had two partitions labeled OS. So, apparently, that is taking up 70.7 GB of my drive space. I opened the directory and I do see a bunch of files that had collected in my C: drive before the upgrade so that has to be what that is.

    I tried to open a few of the files and each one produced an error message of the file being corrupt. That being said, I guess that I could delete everything in that partition and use it for something else. What do you think?
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  2. Caledon Ken's Avatar
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       #62

    I'm not exactly sure what to tell you.

    We started off dealing with your no OS message and we are now down to a basically a complete rewrite.

    Don't get me wrong, we are all here to help, just not sure how far you want to go.

    Here is what I would do. You evaluate and decide if you want to follow.


    I would start over, clean install.

    I say this as I think it would be easier and would produce and really good go forward foundation.

    You will notice in your Disk Management shot your Recovery Drive is marked as Active. It shouldn't be but somehow through the process and years it has become part of the boot. Ideally in a system that boots Legacy (not UEFI) there would be a System Reserved partition. It would be around a 100MB. There would also be a Recovery Partition and it would be in the 500MB. Yours is Gigs as it likely contains the original Factory Reset software (Win 7 and goodies). Not sure where G: drive is, must be on yet another disk as it is not part of screen shot. Strange, thought you only had one disk, more mysteries?

    I love safety nets, and with my data I use lots. I think you said you copied all your data, as files, to your Passport before doing your Image. Excellent you have one copy. I would find another disk, maybe you have one in an old computer you could use, or I would buy one and I would create a second copy (on a different disk from your passport).

    Once I confirmed that both copies were complete and I tested opening several files from each I would note all software installed and I would find the licenses I needed for purchase products. Some will need to be deactivated on the current install so they can be re-installed and activated on new install. Not sure if you have any of these types of products.

    With two copies of data, my licenses and a list of software I would go nuclear and clean install. I would wipe HDD to eliminate all partitions and then I would clean install.

    Once Windows was operational and programs installed I would Image C:

    I would then resize C: and create a D:

    I would place my data on D: and I would follow the tutorials to point Windows to the data on D:.

    I would then create another Image of C: and one of D:


    Your thoughts. Lots of people dread the nuclear option and you don't have to go clean. There are other less drastic processes.

    I'm off to wash my car, need some air.
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  3. graywoulf's Avatar
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       #63

    Well, back to the drawing board as they say. I had decided to do a clean install way earlier and was talked out of it. No regrets on that in any way but now, I am in a quandary on what to do. I can't afford a clean OEM Windows 10 copy right now and I don't know if I can trust any copies being sold on eBay. I may have to just use what I have for now and wait until the end of next month to buy a copy.

    Ken, I really do appreciate your help, suggestions and time. You have stuck with me and I appreciate that.
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       #64

    Windows 10 upgrades from 7 and 8 are free.
    Once you have upgraded it creates a digital license on Microsoft servers.
    With a license on Microsoft servers you can replace a disk drive or clean install Windows 10.
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  5. graywoulf's Avatar
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       #65

    zbook said:
    Windows 10 upgrades from 7 and 8 are free. Once you have upgraded it creates a digital license on Microsoft servers. With a license on Microsoft servers you can replace a disk drive or clean install Windows 10.
    Are you saying that I can do a clean install with what I have in place already? How would I do a clean install in this manner if I do not have a disk or USB drive with the Windows 10 OS on it? I guess I am still learning about upgrades at this point so please bear with me on this.
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    windows 10 professional version 1607 build 14393.969 64 bit
       #66

    What is installed now?
    What was most recently installed?

    Activation troubleshooting

    There are log collectors used in another Ten Forums room.
    Run V2 and upload results into this thread:
    BSOD - Posting Instructions
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  7. Caledon Ken's Avatar
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       #67

    Okay. Yes. You own a copy of Windows 10, you have a digital license.

    Not sure how you upgraded but with your current working copy of Windows you can download either an ISO and burn to DVD or create a USB (8GB). If you create a USB you must know that you can boot from it.

    You get Media creator here. On page click download tool now. Then execute

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/soft...load/windows10

    Once you have media and you know you can boot from it then Clean install.

    Clean Install Windows 10

    If you all ready have media in a form you can boot from skip the above and onwards you go.

    The standard recommendation is only have boot disk connected and delete all existing partitions on disk. It may ask for product key, you should be able to skip and MS's server will interrogate your device and activate.

    Note step 24 in tutorial for setting up local account rather than MS.

    Once Windows running do all the updates, then load programs and Image. You image before you resize C: in case things head south. (Create and test Imaging tool boot media or add to boot menu)

    Once Imaged you can use Minitool Partition Wizard to shrink C:. Watch Minitool, they are loading bloatware with install. Read each panel during install and uncheck any add-on crap.

    Best Free Partition Manager for Windows | MiniTool Partition Wizard Free

    Not sure how big your C: is today. Looks like 700GB but then there was that mystery G: at 70. Lets cross that bridge once Windows and your programs are installed. One thing that could help decide, how big is your personal data today? (Right click C:\users and then left click properties)

    Now do you have an alternate machine to communicate with us should the need arise?

    I will stress the importance again about being able to boot with media you create. Dell's are F12 and you mentioned before what boot order was.

    You are welcome on the sticking by you. My pleasure.
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  8. graywoulf's Avatar
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       #68

    zbook said:
    What is installed now? What was most recently installed?

    Activation troubleshooting

    There are log collectors used in another Ten Forums room. Run V2 and upload results into this thread:
    BSOD - Posting Instructions
    I'm not quite sure of what all you are asking but I just recently upgraded from Windows 7 HP to Windows 10 Home via the free upgrade offered by Microsoft. Seems now that I need to do a clean install instead. There are no issues to speak of other than some partition issues that a clean install will take care of. No BSOD or anything like that. Thanks for asking and offering to help.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Back to you Ken. I have the Media Creator already installed from when I did the upgrade to W10. I probably should make a new one from within W10 to make sure I am getting the right one. I upgraded from Win 7 HP using the free W10 upgrade.

    The only thing I am dreading is having to reinstall all of my working software unless a fresh backup will cover that. To be honest, I have never used a backup in this manner before... ever. Kind of nervous about it.

    I just printed out your instructions so tell me if I need to do anything else in preparation to this adventure. And thanks again.
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  9. Caledon Ken's Avatar
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       #69

    Make sure your data is readable on your backup. Think you said you made a copy and an Image. Make sure your can open a couple from your copy.

    If you have Media Creator, then you created media. You can recreate if you wish.

    What type of bootable media did you make, DVD or USB. Maybe for the upgrade you just left ISO on desktop and went from there. You do need to make media.


    No you can not re-install your programs from a back up. There are program movers, I've never used. Not sure what you have in the way of programs. I get Windows running, then my browsers, email, printer, office (or like product) and then work at the rest. That is why I make a list. At that they all don't get re-installed. LOL.

    I hear you on installing programs. It is a pain. Some will keep the Image after they get everything install and will use that instead of doing a clean install the next time. The idea has merit but if you clean install every two years so much has change.

    You will be fine. Potentially breaking a working machine gets to everyone. Do you have alternate method to contact us?

    It is dinner time here. You've attracted a lot of very strong members to this thread, all very knowledgable, and I will sign on later just to check in.
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  10. Caledon Ken's Avatar
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    Oh, make sure you know how to copy out your favorites or bookmarks.

    I use Chrome and I sign into chrome with a gmail id. If you don't have gmail address get one, they are free.

    I then sync everything with their cloud. When I install Chrome on new machine I sign in and boom, everything is there.

    Most browsers work this way, if you sign in. You can ask about your browser if not sure and see what is sync'ed.
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