I just hate it, win10 had to be reset, refused to come up

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  1. Posts : 1,257
    win10 PRO on 5 PC's and Linux mint
       #1

    I just hate it, win10 had to be reset, refused to come up


    I dual boot with win7. Win7 was having a lot of troubles, suddenly refusing to boot due a defective video card shutting down the signal would just be lost. So I kept having to power it off and on, and eventually 7 quit. I replaced video card with another nvidia card.
    So after a bunch of stuff not starting hanging refusing to boot even in safe mode. windows 7 finally claimed it had to do disk checking. Of course it also had to check disk on the win10 hard drive. It claimed to have found all sorts of errors and deleted a bunch of stuff. Then win7 booted, it seems a miracle. So this am, I reboot to go into win10, and its a total foobar disaster. Win10 cant start, so it wants to repair PC, I say ok. Win10 cant repair itself....
    So one of the sugeestion just boot win7??? boot another windows os???
    Try to do win10 reset, loose everything or loose all settings and keep my files and folders. Of course I had to do a reset.

    So it appears to be reinstalling windows 10 now, how stupid is this...
    Now it could take hours?? to get win 10 running.

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    Damn, the power went out for a microsecond and guess what, it had done about 2 hours (actually many hours ) worth of updating to 1903, and was at 45% or so, and whamo, power comes back on PC reboots and it is totally undoing all the changes, HOURS of wasted time and electricity usage too.
    It is so sad how this upgrading works and I am not making this up.

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    This is cruel and unusual punsihment, a windows version upgrade process using the builtin upgrader.
    They should disable any such thing, not allow in-place upgrades this way, force you to download 1903 and upgrade from a thumb drive, etc...
    Huge waste of bandwidth and time, it has to redownload 1903 again.

    I am just following the built in win 10 upgrade process they designed, and look what it did.

    It is now 4:06 pm, I started at 10:56 AM
    back to square one.
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  2. Posts : 43,020
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #2

    Hi, your experience is unfortunate.

    Naturally dual booting - adding complexity- carries risk, especially if one O/S potentially has access to the other.

    I'm only going to comment on the ways which are very often mentioned here to protect you, your PC, your data and possibly your sanity, and the control of Windows Update.

    a. Disk Imaging
    tenforums members tirelessly advocate the routine use of disk imaging, allowing you to recover reasonably quickly to a previous good state when bad things suddenly happen, often without technical help. If you update your disk image set just before any next major change, if something goes wrong during that, you can revert by restoring the most recent image.

    b. Windows Udate.
    Taking control is easier with Pro upwards. I will assume you have Home.

    You can take control of Windows Update. 3rd party tools such as Sledgehammer disable Windows Update and allow you to scan manually. Any available updates are listed, with check boxes, allowing you to select. The tool also supports some WU settings and hiding (blocking) updates.

    In 1903 there is slightly better control of updates for Home users.
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  3. Posts : 1,257
    win10 PRO on 5 PC's and Linux mint
    Thread Starter
       #3

    dalchina said:
    Hi, your experience is unfortunate.

    Naturally dual booting - adding complexity- carries risk, especially if one O/S potentially has access to the other.

    I'm only going to comment on the ways which are very often mentioned here to protect you, your PC, your data and possibly your sanity, and the control of Windows Update.

    a. Disk Imaging
    tenforums members tirelessly advocate the routine use of disk imaging, allowing you to recover reasonably quickly to a previous good state when bad things suddenly happen, often without technical help. If you update your disk image set just before any next major change, if something goes wrong during that, you can revert by restoring the most recent image.

    b. Windows Udate.
    Taking control is easier with Pro upwards. I will assume you have Home.

    You can take control of Windows Update. 3rd party tools such as Sledgehammer disable Windows Update and allow you to scan manually. Any available updates are listed, with check boxes, allowing you to select. The tool also supports some WU settings and hiding (blocking) updates.

    In 1903 there is slightly better control of updates for Home users.
    yes, I am downloading through the media creation tool right now, and setting up on a 1903 flash drive while leaving the PC to its upgrade fate, whatever it might do.

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/soft...7-5e88c0e053ec

    This is wndows 10 pro I have, doubt that makes an upgrade difference when your actually upgrading. I am going to 1903, thought it might fix the 5.1 spdiff sound issue, but I think it wont. May have to install a realtek driver for the ALC888s chip this board has.

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    A major problem with upgrading versions is the huge amount of time it takes. The longer something takes where it can not recover say if the power fails and pick up where it lefts off the more likely an upgrade fails.
    it is at 27% now, and it does it in 2 stages so its double slow.
    If power fails again, I will need to setup an inverter to run off the car and an ac charger to keep the battery charged to use it as a UPS. Usually our power is very reliable.
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  4. Posts : 6,357
    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP - Lubuntu
       #4

    Only to transfer Win 10 to a flash drive takes more than 1/2 hour.
    The best and faster way to update win 10 is to download the Win 10 iso, mount it and run setup.exe.
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  5. Posts : 1,257
    win10 PRO on 5 PC's and Linux mint
    Thread Starter
       #5

    Well, I dont think its going to work. It is sitting at 28%, moved from 26 to 28% in 2 hours. I downloaded with media creation tool (using a different pc) to usb not the iso and it created a set of files with a setup.exe
    So I should turn off PC, boot that USB and somehow run setup.

    Instructions said the usb is bootable. I am going to leave it trying all night and check it in the morning. PC is able to run ver 1803 fast enough, just cant do any upgrade apparently.
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  6. Posts : 43,020
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #6

    Of course it also had to check disk on the win10 hard drive. It claimed to have found all sorts of errors and deleted a bunch of stuff.
    Given your power outage at a critical time, I recommend you
    a. check your entire drive using e.g. HD Tune (free) Health and Error Scan tabs
    b. if ok run chkdsk c: /scan from an admin command or Powershell prompt to check your file system (used part of C: ).


    It seems you're trying to upgrade to 1903 from 1803. Upgrades can be very difficult when they fail, with many possible causes. The tutorial on upgrading to Win 10 includes a section where you can find many links to documents pointing to the the logs and error messages, and practical advice such as removing security software and unnecessary peripherals.

    Upgrading 'normally' takes a bit over an hour, say, but can take some hours. There is a long thread on this.

    They should disable any such thing, not allow in-place upgrades this way, force you to download 1903 and upgrade from a thumb drive, etc...
    Huge waste of bandwidth and time, it has to redownload 1903 again.
    You have Pro, so you can have control of WHEN an upgrade occurs.

    You are concerned about the waste of bandwidth. Here's how to minimise that.

    a. Choose WHEN to upgrade (defer feature upgrades in Settings/group policy)
    b. Download the appropriate iso - or create the appropriate bootable medium for 1903
    c. Attempt the upgrade, and when prompted, choose NOT to accept updates.

    Why? This simplifies the procedure, reduces the time if it fails, and saves wasting the update download size and time.

    Note you can start the upgrade running setup.exe either from a mounted iso or from the bootable disk (you're not, of course, booting your PC from that in this case).

    Hope that addresses some of your concerns.
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  7. Posts : 7,909
    Windows 11 Pro 64 bit
       #7

    I hope your misfortune encourages you to make regular full backups (e.g. Macrium Reflect) which would recover Windows in under 15 minutes.
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  8. Posts : 1,257
    win10 PRO on 5 PC's and Linux mint
    Thread Starter
       #8

    I am not trying to recover 10, I am trying to upgrade to 1903.
    The 1903 upgrade failed again and it rolled back at 11:00 pm to 1803.

    I put the usb drive in and the pc says no bootable media is on it. I know the pc can boot usb drives.

    So do I now redownload win10 and try to make a DVD from the iso?
    Is there another way to make the usb thumb drive as bootable

    unfortunately, I had made this usb drive on an new asus laptop, BUT for another pc, and maybe it made it according to uefi settings on this laptop. So maybe do it on the 1803 PC?
    I mean it would be pretty dumb to be locked into framework, making an install for another PC on a PC where it also says, use recommended settings for 'this' pc. Do you see what I am saying? The board that need upgrading to 1903 is a legacy bios. And this new Asus laptop is probably uefi bios.

    Honestly should not be so hard, I am just following the prompts and its failing..

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    Took a picture of it creating usb media on the 1803pc to upgrade the 1803 pc to 1903 using a usb thumb drive.
    Will it boot the usb now?
    Instructions seem to indicate the usb it makes should be bootable. Am I wrong?

    Who uses dvd any more, archaic tech. I would have to search for writable discs, which I have not used in years.

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    And what happens if you run the media creation tool, and select 'upgrade this PC now'
    Does it actually do anything different than the twice failing upgrade procedure I have already tried?
    As in download on the hard drive, shut down windows, reboot to the downloaded info, and do the upgrade with windows off?
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  9. Posts : 43,020
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #9

    Upgrading- you can simply download the iso file.
    Rt click, Mount it, open drive letter created, double click setup.exe

    And see my #6
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  10. Posts : 1,257
    win10 PRO on 5 PC's and Linux mint
    Thread Starter
       #10

    dalchina said:
    Upgrading- you can simply download the iso file.
    Rt click, Mount it, open drive letter created, double click setup.exe

    I decided I wanted no windows 1803 running when doing this install, thought it might slow it down for hours again.
    And see my #6
    interesting, well It made the bootable usb on the PC, and it now boots. I tried the upgrade option, but it said could not. So I selected custom, and it is doing a new install to the win10 drive. I did not tell it to format. said old windows will be moved to windows.old

    Curious since no formatting, will it leave other files and folders on the drive?
    And I have 4 large hard drives in this pc.
    Will I have to setup the dual boot menu again or will windows 10 find windows 7?
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