Help choosing a Win 10 laptop

Goldengirl52 said:

... I heard recently if you reset the puter to factory reset, it cleans it all off. Do you or someone know if that's true?

No. A Reset on an OEM preinstalled Windows will keep all the OEM custom apps and drivers, whether you use 'Remove everything' or 'Factory Reset'.

Remove everything

• This is to reset Windows 10.
• Reinstalls Windows 10 and removes all your accounts and personal files.
• Removes apps and drivers you installed.
• Removes changes you made to settings.
• Removes any apps your PC manufacturer installed. (If your PC came with Windows 10, apps from your PC manufacturer will be reinstalled.)
• If you're planning to donate, recycle, or sell your PC, use this option and choose to fully clean the drive. This might take an hour or two, but it makes it harder for other people to recover files you've removed.

Restore factory settings

• This is to do a factory restore on an OEM PC that came preinstalled with Windows 10.
• Reinstalls the version of Windows that your PC came with and removes your personal files.
• Removes apps and drivers you installed.
• Removes changes you made to settings.
• Reinstalls any apps your PC manufacturer installed on your PC.
• This option isn't available on all PCs.

Reset Windows 10

Bree said:

No. A Reset on an OEM preinstalled Windows will keep all the OEM custom apps and drivers, whether you use 'Remove everything' or 'Factory Reset'.

Reset Windows 10

But I meant first thing, before you do anything else on your new computer? This won't remove bloatware, because it was installed by the Seller you mean Bree? Edit: Ok I'm confused, but I thought there is the original manufacturer which I didn't think they pre-installed bloatware, it was the next "store" or warehouse that buys straight from the manufacturer??

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Looking at this one, feedback more than welcome. I do like my AMD Ryzen in my main gaming pc but getting back into larger device, 15 in.
https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Display-...s%2C235&sr=8-3

and this one:
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VivoBook...s%2C238&sr=8-3

Goldengirl52 said:

... I thought there is the original manufacturer which I didn't think they pre-installed bloatware, it was the next "store" or warehouse that buys straight from the manufacturer??

Every manufacturer customises the Windows they install at the factory to include their own apps and drivers. A Factory Reset will put it back to as it left the factory, complete with all the OEM customisations.

Bree said:

Every manufacturer customises the Windows they install at the factory to include their own apps and drivers. A Factory Reset will put it back to as it left the factory, complete with all the OEM customisations.

Ok, learned another thing. I don't remember where I got the idea at the manufacturers that they didn't install the bloatware. Who knows but glad you cleared that up for me thanks Bree:)

Which means I didn't really set that Chromebook 3 back to new because I put some apps on it. Thank goodness it's just my Brother

Goldengirl52 said:

But I meant first thing, before you do anything else on your new computer? This won't remove bloatware, because it was installed by the Seller you mean Bree? Edit: Ok I'm confused, but I thought there is the original manufacturer which I didn't think they pre-installed bloatware, it was the next "store" or warehouse that buys straight from the manufacturer??

So-called bloatware is typically from the manufacturer--not from someone later down the chain toward the retail dealer.

Factory reset would take you back to as of when it left the factory, which is likely to be identical to as you bought it from Amazon.

You generally have 3 choices re bloatware:

1; accept it and don't worry about it
2; identify bloatware item by item after purchase and attempt to uninstall or defeat each piece, one at a time
3; do a clean reinstall of the operating system, which will leave you with Windows per se.

That's how it works on a standard consumer desktop.

I suppose bloatware might be more of a factor in a situation where you have limited drive space or a marginal CPU. But it's something of a hobbyist concern. I'd guess most home users just ignore bloatware on a desktop.

Goldengirl52 said:

...I don't remember where I got the idea at the manufacturers that they didn't install the bloatware....

Most OEMs would argue that their apps are not bloatware, but essential tools to support using W10 on their machine. Many users would disagree

ignatzatsonic said:

So-called bloatware is typically from the manufacturer--not from someone later down the chain toward the retail dealer.

Factory reset would take you back to as of when it left the factory, which is likely to be identical to as you bought it from Amazon.

You generally have 3 choices re bloatware:

1; accept it and don't worry about it
2; identify bloatware item by item after purchase and attempt to uninstall or defeat each piece, one at a time
3; do a clean reinstall of the operating system, which will leave you with Windows per se.

That's how it works on a standard consumer desktop.

I suppose bloatware might be more of a factor in a situation where you have limited drive space or a marginal CPU. But it's something of a hobbyist concern. I'd guess most home users just ignore bloatware on a desktop.

Right, I think I saw that in a video on youtube, and one of the things to do with your new puter was to do a factory reset. Same as everything else, can't believe everything you read. When I get into these discussions I realize how much I don't know, and really, a lot of things I don't want to know, but smart to learn them

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Bree said:

Most OEMs would argue that their apps are not bloatware, but essential tools to support using W10 on their machine. Many users would disagree

Yes, I can imagine them not owning up to that lovely, true term

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Ok, I think I will go for this one folks. I went back to "small" and worse, case scenario, I return it after checking it out.

I just know a larger laptop is not what I want, and this one is spendy enough for my budget:
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VivoBook...s%2C238&sr=8-3

Oh crap I hate Amazon sometimes, this is for a "used" one. I want to scream, I really was going to go for it finally

asus vivobook 15.6, Laptops / Notebooks, Laptops / Notebooks, Computer Systems - Newegg.com

above is a bunch of similar Vivobooks from newegg.

ignatzatsonic said:

asus vivobook 15.6, Laptops / Notebooks, Laptops / Notebooks, Computer Systems - Newegg.com

above is a bunch of similar Vivobooks from newegg.

Funny, I was just thinking about checking them Thank you for the link, dang 15 inches though, oh well.