Why does Microsoft do what it does?

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  1. Posts : 19,238
    W11+W11 Developer Insider + Linux
       #21

    jimbo45 said:
    Hi there
    apart from a load of WD updates which only take seconds and are rarely more than a few KB - there's no reason at all to update if you don't want to -- in fact probably 99.9% of updates would only really be needed (apart from security issues) by about 0.1% of users.

    However nearly every day that passes there's some sort of new hardware device out there or another application -- that's hopefully how the Human Mind progresses -- Humankind is an inquisitive species. Ms obviously wants that hardware to work too plus there's always better encryption algorithms being invented, more efficiency in how the OS runs etc etc.

    Running say 1803 or even 1709 on your computer will probably be absolutely fine -- just be careful on avoiding scams and don't get fazed by all these people scaring you into buying the latest A/V (Anti Virus) software.

    I think my views concerning Malwarebytes and similar programs of that ilk and especially other paid versions of Anti Virus software are well known --these guys are scaring people by offering a very 20th cent solution to a 21 st problem --Infecting home user computers isn't money making --even major torrent sites like that one flying The Jolly Roger don't want malware on their sites any more --scamming is the name of the game --identity theft, fake websites etc etc.

    So if your machine works fine and you can surf safely and don't give out too much info on social media sites --then just continue with what you've got -- "If it ain't Broke .... Don't fix it". (Do use though on W10 the WD system for a decenrt level of protection -- again for 99% of users this will be more than enough).

    In any case if an update doesn't work provided you've taken a system backup image with something like free macrium it only takes probably less than 15 - 30 mins in most cases to restore your system to as it was before the update.

    Note of course my remarks about Anti Virus software etc applies only to HOME computers -- corporates, public infrastructure, even Forums such as these can and often are attacked by Ddos and other nasty things so of course they DO need far extra protection than a simple Mom and Pop home computer.

    Some of us also do like testing new builds etc and it's impossible for Ms to test even a tiny proportion of hardware and applications out these these days -- for example I doubt whether an Ms employee or developer would come up with a scientist from the University of Iceland up the side of a smoking volcano to test a Carbon / Sulphur gas detecting device for transmission back tothe geological centre !!

    Windows has been used on almost every piece of hardware in the known galaxy -- and while I like and normally use Linux I can't think of any other computer OS that even begins to handle almost seamlessly all the bits of hardware users connect to it.

    So "The evil Empire" --no it isn't. !!!

    Cheers
    jimbo
    A case for updates, with 1903 MS introduced enhancements for 3rd gen Ryzen CPUs.
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  2. Posts : 4,176
    Windows 10 Pro x64 Latest RP
       #22

    I've been running The release Preview Early Release of 1909 for several weeks now, ( I had my second monthly update a few days ago ).

    This has run without any issues at all, as has all the previous, Monthly Updates and Twice yearly Upgrades since the Original 2015 Release.

    This is over a number of different systems all of which are similar in one important way ... They are not modified in any way that is not officially available, (ok I did kill off Cortana quietly and quickly), and in my opinion that is the way to go.

    I'm not inundated with adverts from MS or anyone related to them, every piece of software and hardware I've thrown at the systems have worked, .

    The majority of issues that I see are on systems which have been modified to remove something that the user does not like, without any concern for what else may be affected by the change - Modern operating systems and other software are complex integrated interrelated systems . which are designed to work as a whole
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  3. Posts : 11,203
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #23

    Barman58 said:
    I've been running The release Preview Early Release of 1909 for several weeks now, ( I had my second monthly update a few days ago ).

    This has run without any issues at all, as has all the previous, Monthly Updates and Twice yearly Upgrades since the Original 2015 Release.

    This is over a number of different systems all of which are similar in one important way ... They are not modified in any way that is not officially available, (ok I did kill off Cortana quietly and quickly), and in my opinion that is the way to go.

    I'm not inundated with adverts from MS or anyone related to them, every piece of software and hardware I've thrown at the systems have worked, .

    The majority of issues that I see are on systems which have been modified to remove something that the user does not like, without any concern for what else may be affected by the change - Modern operating systems and other software are complex integrated interrelated systems . which are designed to work as a whole
    Hi there

    absolutely fine --on the whole I find stuff runs on new releases on basically unmodified systems without issue --OK sometimes some settings don't always do what they are meant to but these are minor irritants and largely ignorable.

    I often am totally amazed at the number of B/GSOD's people seem to experience and other things one reads here in the Forums --one has to really wonder what people are actually doing on their systems !!!

    Of course if people want to tinker etc then especially on new builds things will break --then simply restore !!!

    Windows 10 since its inception has been remarkably stable IMO. I do question though pushing out different components for the same build to different users as that makes a bit of a nonsense of any sort of consistent testing -- that's a management issue though - and I think in most of our careers we've pretty well all experienced some dosage of "Bad management". !!

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4. Posts : 19,238
    W11+W11 Developer Insider + Linux
       #24

    jimbo45 said:
    Hi there

    absolutely fine --on the whole I find stuff runs on new releases on basically unmodified systems without issue --OK sometimes some settings don't always do what they are meant to but these are minor irritants and largely ignorable.

    I often am totally amazed at the number of B/GSOD's people seem to experience and other things one reads here in the Forums --one has to really wonder what people are actually doing on their systems !!!

    Of course if people want to tinker etc then especially on new builds things will break --then simply restore !!!

    Windows 10 since its inception has been remarkably stable IMO. I do question though pushing out different components for the same build to different users as that makes a bit of a nonsense of any sort of consistent testing -- that's a management issue though - and I think in most of our careers we've pretty well all experienced some dosage of "Bad management". !!

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Except for failed overclock settings I haven't had a single BSOD since last clean install 2 years ago. Yes, there were some minor problems but nothing debilitating enough to make me want to reinstall or go back to previous build.
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  5. Posts : 25,034
    10 Home x64 (21H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #25

    TairikuOkami said:
    MS has recently changed its policy, because of problems with updates, and there will be only one major release every year in April, October updates will be released just to fix bugs.
    ..

    That's not quite the case. The October release of 1909 is currently in the release preview ring as 19H2 and it will be introducing new features. What its true however is that Microsoft is planning to deliver 1909 as a Cumulative Update rather than a full Feature Update as was the case for 1903.

    Microsoft said:
    Today, we are beginning to test the throttled approach we intend to use to rollout 19H2 to customers ...

    ...we have enabled the “seeker” experience for 19H2. For these Insiders, if they go to Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update, they will see that there is a Windows 10, version 1909 update available. They will be able to choose to download and install this update on their PC. After the update finishes, they will be on 19H2 Build 18363.327.
    Cumulative Update KB4517245 Windows 10 v1909 build 18363.327 - Aug. 26
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  6. Posts : 819
    10
       #26

    I was Apple only for 29 years. I got frustrated at the tail end of it because Tim Cook is a tool that cares about profits and nothing else. When I finally accepted that I no longer had a reason to pay Tim through the eyeballs when I could get a PC for half the price. I was very lucky Windows 10 came along when I did or I might have been permanently stuck in in iHell.

    Yes. I gave Linux a look over the last 5 years of Macness. I was both impressed and also not very impressed. Maintaining the system was a fascinating game of Jenga, where solutions were never how or where you thought they'd be. Sometimes a Linuxnut would say, "Oh, yeah, that's not an issue but a Linux thing." Yeah... right.

    Win10 has it's own learning curve. But after two years of this I feel like I've basically got it. I'd be procreated without this board and YouTube, but other than some hiccups here and there all is smooth sailing.

    I see horrific posts in this place by people who are having one catastrophic issue after another. As if Win10 isn't just Jenga but a House of Cards in the Bahamas. I maintain two desktop PCs and two laptops -- and none of them have terrible issues. I don't get it. Are people holding onto hardware half of forever? Are they never doing SFCs and the like? Those are my best guesses.

    I wouldn't waste ten minutes with Linux -- though -- I must bow down before the open source Gods that have brought us FIREFOX, AUDACITY, LIBREOFFICE, VLC, and GIMP. I just find when I trap myself with those apps within the Linux ecosystem I don't have half the freedom I do with Windows 10.

    But I make a point to 'adjust' Win10 to make it a little more Mac like. My desktop icons auto hide, my taskbar is transparent, I have hot corners where they've been since Mac OS X version 1. Those aren't all 'Mac' ish things but it makes the desktop behave more along what I like. Ubuntu Budgie was the prettiest variant of Linux I could find, but again, don't waste time there.
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  7. Posts : 1,166
    win10 home
       #27

    A clean install is the digital equivalent of an engine oil change,a backup is the spare tyre.With those,Win 10 is a breeze to use.
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  8. Posts : 25,034
    10 Home x64 (21H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #28

    The Pool Man said:
    I see horrific posts in this place by people who are having one catastrophic issue after another....
    Well you would, they all come here for help (and often get it sorted out, even if the last resort has to be a clean install). The silent majority have no such problem and don't tend to feel the need to post

    In some cases the problems are self-inflicted, a poorly implemented attempt to block updates or disable telemetry. I turn off as much as is possible within Settings, but draw the line at registry hacks or tweaking tools. Perhaps that's why none of my machine have had any problems - and that includes the one I'm using now, which was a W7 PC until August 2015 and was never on its OEM's list as being compatible with W10. It's running 1903 now...
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  9. Posts : 8,687
    Mac OS Catalina
       #29

    Bree said:
    Well you would, they all come here for help (and often get it sorted out, even if the last resort has to be a clean install). The silent majority have no such problem and don't tend to feel the need to post

    In some cases the problems are self-inflicted, a poorly implemented attempt to block updates or disable telemetry. I turn off as much as is possible within Settings, but draw the line at registry hacks or tweaking tools. Perhaps that's why none of my machine have had any problems - and that includes the one I'm using now, which was a W7 PC until August 2015 and was never on its OEM's list as being compatible with W10. It's running 1903 now...
    I am with you in this. Did a clean install with 1903 and only had a glitch or two, which was solved by research to confirm the problem, the other was reinstalling some third party software that I have to use for the flatbed scanner in my office.

    Now I do run the Apple Beta’s for iOS/iPadOS 13.x and MacOS 10.15 (Catalina). Those require that you do a clean installif you want a lot of the problems from moving from a stable build to a Beta. Even when you change hardware, you are best to just install from fresh, not use an image.

    Those that continue to post that they are having issues are either not listening to the suggestions to help fix, using the same problematic backup image from the install that is having issues, or tweaking the hell out of their system and blaming it on the OS. I stopped tweaking Windows 10 after 1809 came out. 1903 has been stable on both the tablet and desktop that it is on.
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  10. Posts : 819
    10
       #30

    Bree said:
    The silent majority have no such problem and don't tend to feel the need to post
    My take is the silent majority have buggy PCs and think that's normal Windows.

    I have a relation who is hyper-educated. Top of his class guy. Harvard guy. Genius.

    He informs me that Windows PCs start fast but then quickly slow down and turn to lead in no time. I have four PCs and this has simply not happened over 3 year periods. He calls it 'planned obsolescence'.

    If the ladies will forgive this extremely dated stereotype, I call it "You're the classic dumb blonde who's car runs like garbage because you've never changed the oil in 50,000 miles."

    Chromebooks exist because most users believe they shouldn't have to maintain anything. They love their smartphones because of this. Frankly I kind of agree that if Windows is to have a future it should also maintain itself.
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