Is W10 1903 stable enough to replace 1809?

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  1. Posts : 19,518
    W11+W11 Developer Insider + Linux
       #31

    The way I look at it is if the update was offered to me it would mean it's good enough to install as long as none of Known issues apply to me. If I have to force update than there are good chances it will not work for some reason. Actually, forced update worked for me and none of known issues apply to me as I don't care for any of them.
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  2. Posts : 5,452
    Windows 11 Home
       #32

    CountMike said:
    Actually, forced update worked for me and none of known issues apply to me as I don't care for any of them.
    How do you force an upgrade? My laptop refuses to upgrade as always, because of an unsupported hardware. Last time I did a clean install, but I do not feel like it now.
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  3. Posts : 19,518
    W11+W11 Developer Insider + Linux
       #33

    TairikuOkami said:
    How do you force an upgrade? My laptop refuses to upgrade as always, because of an unsupported hardware. Last time I did a clean install, but I do not feel like it now.
    I just downloaded ISO thru MCT and started setup.exe from mounted ISO. Worked at first try.
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  4. Posts : 11,247
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #34

    Hi there

    with the latest update (build 18362.145) it certainly seems stable enough - especially now if it's being presented via standard WU (mine updated automatically via WU from the previous build which I installed via UUPDUMP method).

    No issues other than you can't run Sandbox and VMWare software on the same system and if you have run Sandbox even once on the system merely uninstalling it still leaves VMWare broken so take an image before enabling Sandbox if you want to revert to using VMWare.

    The Sandbox itself is a bit of a disappointment as it's far too limited functionality and because it's "Not activated" you can't experiment with backgrounds and themes. You can't mess around with Languages in the Sandbox either - it's U.S English whether you like it or not and it doesn't matter what language(s) you are using on your main Windows system.

    So - For normal use I'd say yes it's OK, for testing things like sandbox - if you can have other test systems then OK but expect disappointments.

    Incidentally the same VMWARE problem and Sandbox is there also on the 20H1 system too - I don't mind that so much as I'm usinf the 20H1 system a lot to play around with the WSL.

    The unsupported hardware thing is well known on upgrade -- just remove USB HDD's (or SSD's). It ignores now internal card readers with SD / micro SD cards in them -- only remobe external USD drives and thumbsticks.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. Posts : 5,452
    Windows 11 Home
       #35

    CountMike said:
    I just downloaded ISO thru MCT and started setup.exe from mounted ISO. Worked at first try.
    Oh, I tried that, but it did not let me continue. I guess it will force an upgrade, once 2003 will be released. If the laptop survives that long, but I doubt that, 2-3 years is max they usually last. Anyway, I plan to buy a miniPC instead of a laptop next time, just connect to a monitor and it is done, almost like Mac.
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  6. Posts : 19,518
    W11+W11 Developer Insider + Linux
       #36

    TairikuOkami said:
    Oh, I tried that, but it did not let me continue. I guess it will force an upgrade, once 2003 will be released. If the laptop survives that long, but I doubt that, 2-3 years is max they usually last. Anyway, I plan to buy a miniPC instead of a laptop next time, just connect to a monitor and it is done, almost like Mac.
    I thought you were talking about that AMD desktop system under "My computer" ?? My second system burned GPU out but Ill try to update that one too although best spare GPU I have is an ancient Nvidia 8400GS. Not sure about driver for it.
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  7. Posts : 11,247
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #37

    Hi there
    @TairikuOkami

    Did you try running the update with USB devices removed.

    I've updated an old Sony VAIO lapto with an ancient PENTIUM IV processor (seems to use more power than an electric heater !!) and it worked just OK --that laptop has to be easily over 10 years old. Still with DDR2 memory (8GB) old DVD drive and only USB 2 ports. Fan sounds like a jet aircraft too -- but it works and runs the build OK -- the old laptop originaly came with XP installed on it so that shows how old it is.

    The built in LAN card worked too -- the Wifi card was too old I think for my modem / router --didn't even try wifi though. It's internal Monitor also only capable of 1360 X 768 or some thing like that and the whole thing is rediculously heavy by modern standards but makes an OK emergency recovery / test machine. I usually run a small Linux system on it if I'm using it but I wanted to see if W10 still ran on this old hardware.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8. Posts : 94
    Windows 10 Pro 64 bit. Ver. 22H2, Xubuntu 22.04
       #38

    ineuw said:
    Intel support advised me that I may have to (re)install Windows because of a problem between Windows and Intel's latest Intel video drivers for my chipset. I am using now 1809 and it was very stable for me, so I am asking if there are any issues with 1903. With either version I would not be updating, but installing fresh from ISO.
    I have updated three of my computers to 1903. One of them is an Intel NUC with Intel graphics drivers.
    My computers are running smoothly and stable.

    PS! I always update to the latest version. Been doing that since Windows 3.1 (!).
    BUT!! I always do a full backup of my drive containing Windows before installation of a newer version to go back if problems arise. This is a no-brainer with a good backup software such as Macrium Reflect which is free for non commercial use.

    My current C: (Windows drive on my main computer) has about 31 GB on it and it takes about three minutes to do a full backup to a SSD USB drive.
    A full restore (which is seldom needed. Practically only when changing drive) takes about 10-15 minutes.

    Doing frequent backups keeps me calm and I don't have to worry about malware, which BTW. I never had on any of my computers. I use Windows Defender as AV.

    /snickie
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  9. Posts : 325
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
       #39

    TairikuOkami said:
    Yes, but I have not used Start since Windows 8.1, so I do not care, I even wanted to get rid of Start button, but I use right click menu, so I can not. I think, there are some Start shell replacements, if anyone wants it. I like to torture 10 as much as it tortures me to see, how much it can take, before it breaks. Like I am testing, how well it runs without Task Scheduler service, since it disables all useless tasks and decreases exploitability level, as it is being used for UAC bypasses, like the currently un-patched vulnerability (patched by 0patch).
    Micropatches - 0patch
    The only problem is, that Task Scheduler is used to update certificates, used by browsers, last time I tried it, it did not go so well, but 1903 made some changes, I could even disable DHCP, so I will see.
    Well for me Start button is important. I wonder how Start button was working under 1809 without the memory resources by StartMenuExperienceHost.exe? Unless it was somehow discreetly hidden in a way so the memory usage wasn't visible.

    Obviously Microsoft have made a big mistake with this Start process. They should have made it so that this process goes to Suspended mode like SearchUI.exe. After a few seconds SearchUI.exe would at least go to 0 K Suspended Status.

    I wonder whether it is possible to modify the registry of StartMenuExperienceHost.exe so it actually goes to 0 K Suspended mode so it releases all that occupied memory? I know this is very little memory, but all of that has an impact on performance. It makes no sense for this to be constantly running and taking up 20,000 K in memory. This process Status should only be reactivated when pressing Start button, outside of that it should go back to Suspended status.

    You know I think after I had actually uninstalled some of the bloatware last night using CCleaner my PC became more efficient and this time booted up in 13 seconds instead of 18-22 seconds! This is despite the fact that these background bloated apps appear to be disabled from running in the background.

    As for WindowsInternal.ComposableShell.Experiences.TextInput.InputApp.exe the good news on that is that renaming the folder InputApp_cw5n1h2txyewyDISABLED does not inflict an error message in the event log viewer this time with 1903 compared to 1809! I have just verified this by pressing Windows key+H which normally triggers an error in event log. But this time this no longer occurs.

    This is another one of those careless process that Microsoft forgot to make it go to Suspended mode. There is evidence that this Microsoft Text Input Application causes frame rate drops and stuttering in certain games. But at least renaming the folder means this will no longer run in the background.
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  10. Posts : 1,680
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       #40

    Does any of this matter? I say that because 1903 offers nothing new that's of any interest to me. None at all. So no benefit ... and possible problems.

    It seems to be the same at every new release. They should cut these releases and go back to just small patches.

    I think I'll wait for Windows 11. Or 12.
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