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  1. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,520
    Windows 10 Pro
       08 Oct 2013 #1

    Hi there in Redmond.

    Please let me tell you about something that might surprise you: In modern times, quite a many of us are living ex-pat life abroad, using Windows and its applications in another language than the official language(s) of our adoptive countries.

    But wait, shouldn't you know this already? I think yes, you should, but apparently you do not. As I think I am a good example of ex-pat users I am talking about, I will tell you something about my struggle with Windows localization.

    Coming from a bilingual environment I have two mother tongues, Finnish and Swedish. I live and work in Germany speaking German home with my wife and neighbors but using English as my main language, both at work and among my personal friends. All my computers at home and at work, mainly Windows rigs but also a few Macs and Novell Suse Linux machines, have the same "language and location" settings: Display language English, input language Finnish (its layout allows me to type all four languages without constantly switching layout), location UK & formats UK (only changing the £ sign to €).

    Although speaking and reading almost perfect German (official government tests, best possible result for a non-native speaker), I do prefer using English in my mainly UK-US-Irish-Scandinavian social circles. Instead of German dubbed TV I follow Scandinavian and UK TV with original audio tracks and only go to the movies in selected theaters showing original versions instead of typical German dubbed ones. Over 90% of books, magazines and newspapers I read are in English, Swedish or Finnish.

    That's enough background information. Why do you geeks in Redmond not understand that there are quite a many people like me, working and / or living abroad? Why does Bing in a new Windows 8.1 installation with English display language and location set to England by default show German search results? Why do so many Microsoft websites default to German pages, why can't you make a simple change in system and tell Windows and all its apps that wherever the IP shows the computer physically is, if the display language is not that of the country of the physical location, then all apps, web pages and services etc. should use the language user has selected? If the location set by user does not match with the physical location, it should automatically mean that all location based services should use the location selected by the user, not the physical location.

    Simple: Let user select in which language he / she wants all information, understand that not every user here in Germany uses German as main language, no more than for instance an American in China uses Chinese. Let user in Australia to get his / her news from India if so chosen by selecting location India.

    Also your online services should remember these things. Next time my Outlook.com shows everything in German when I use it on an Internet café with their PC I might just close that account and open a Gmail account instead; I have set my Outlook.com service to use English and it's this my personal selection you should offer me, you should not check in which country the PC is and offer the service using that language. The localized online services should always check which language user has selected in his / her settings.

    You have already taken a step on right direction with Windows 8: now I do not need to get a specific business edition of Windows to be able to use language packs, Windows 8 offers this possibility in every edition. Earlier it was always a pain you know where to buy a PC here with a German edition of Windows preinstalled, then order an English one online (surprisingly many vendors did not order an English install media for you even if you offered some extra money).

    Don't panic, you are not the worst. There are big companies doing it even more annoyingly, automatically redirecting to German pages here, to Dutch pages in the Netherlands and to Finnish pages in Finland, allowing to open pages in other languages only when a foreign proxy is used.

    Please do not decide for me which language I should use!

    Yours, Kari
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  2.    09 Oct 2013 #2

    for those Germans living in another country...

    Hallo es in Redmond.

    Bitte lassen Sie mich Ihnen sagen, über etwas, das Sie überraschen : In der Neuzeit ziemlich viele von uns leben Exklaps Leben im Ausland , unter Windows und seine Anwendungen in einer anderen Sprache als der Amtssprache (n ) unserer Adoptiv- Ländern.

    Aber warten Sie, sollten Sie nicht wissen das schon ? Ich denke ja, sollten Sie , aber anscheinend nicht. Wie ich glaube, ich bin ein gutes Beispiel für ex -pat Benutzer ich spreche , werde ich Ihnen etwas über meinen Kampf mit Windows- Lokalisierung.

    Ich stamme aus einer zweisprachigen Umgebung habe ich zwei Muttersprachen , Finnisch und Schwedisch. Ich lebe und arbeite in Deutschland Deutsch sprechen zu Hause mit meiner Frau und Nachbarn, sondern mit Englisch als mein Haupt- Sprache, sowohl bei der Arbeit und zu meinen persönlichen Freunden . All meinen Computern zu Hause und bei der Arbeit haben vor allem Windows- Plattformen , sondern auch ein paar Macs und Novell Suse Linux-Maschinen , die gleiche " Sprache und Standort " Einstellungen : Display-Sprache Englisch, Eingang Sprache Finnisch ( das Layout ermöglicht es mir, alle vier Sprachen eingeben ohne ständig Wechsel Layout) , Standort UK & UK -Formate (nur die Änderung der £ Zeichen €) .

    Obwohl Sprechen und Lesen fast perfekt Deutsch ( offizielle Regierung Tests bestmögliche Ergebnis für einen Nicht- Muttersprachler ) , ich lieber mit meiner hauptsächlich UK- US- Irish -skandinavische gesellschaftlichen Kreisen Englisch . Statt deutsch synchronisiert TV folge ich skandinavischen und britischen TV mit Original-Audio- Tracks und nur zu den Filmen in ausgewählten Kinos zeigen ursprünglichen Versionen statt typisch deutsch synchronisiert diejenigen gehen . Über 90% der Bücher , Zeitschriften und Zeitungen las ich in Englisch, Schwedisch oder Finnisch.

    Das ist genug Hintergrundinformationen. Warum Geeks in Redmond nicht verstehen, dass es ganz viele Leute wie mich , Arbeits-und / oder im Ausland leben ? Warum Bing in eine neue Windows- Installation 8.1 mit englischen Sprache und Standort auf England standardmäßig zeigen deutsche Suchergebnisse? Warum haben so viele Microsoft-Websites standardmäßig auf deutschen Seiten, warum kannst du nicht machen eine einfache Änderung in System und teilen Windows und alle Anwendungen, die überall dort, wo die IP zeigt der Computer physisch ist , wenn die Display-Sprache ist nicht, dass des Landes den physischen Standort , dann werden alle Apps , Webseiten und Dienste , etc. sollten Sie die Sprache Benutzer ausgewählt hat ? Wenn der Standort vom Benutzer eingestellt nicht mit dem physischen Standort entsprechen , sollte es automatisch bedeuten, dass alle Location Based Services sollte die Position durch den Nutzer , nicht die physischen Standort ausgewählt verwenden .

    Ganz einfach: Lassen Sie Benutzer auswählen, in welcher Sprache er / sie will, dass alle Informationen , zu verstehen , dass nicht jeder User hier in Deutschland Deutsch als Hauptsprache verwendet , nicht mehr als zum Beispiel ein Amerikaner in China verwendet Chinesisch. Lassen Sie Benutzer in Australien, um seine / ihre Nachrichten aus Indien bekommen, wenn so durch Auswahl Standort Indien gewählt .

    Auch Ihre Online-Dienste sollten daran denken, diese Dinge . Das nächste Mal meine Outlook.com zeigt alles in Deutsch , wenn ich es zu benutzen auf einem Internet- Café mit ihren PC könnte ich nur schließen , dass die Konto und öffnen Sie ein Google Mail-Konto statt , ich habe meine Outlook.com Service zu nutzen Englisch eingestellt und es ist meine persönliche Auswahl, die Sie mir anbieten sollte , sollten Sie nicht zu überprüfen , in welchem Land der PC und bieten den Service mit dieser Sprache . Die lokalisierten Online-Dienste sollten immer überprüfen, welche Sprache Benutzer hat in seiner / ihrer Einstellungen ausgewählt .

    Sie haben bereits einen Schritt auf richtige Richtung mit Windows 8 gemacht : Jetzt brauche ich nicht , um eine bestimmte Business Edition von Windows erhalten zu können Sprachpakete verwenden , bietet Windows 8 diese Möglichkeit in jeder Ausgabe . Früher war es immer ein Schmerz, den Sie wissen, wo Sie einen PC kaufen hier mit einer deutschen Ausgabe von Windows vorinstalliert ist, dann bestellen Sie einen englischen online ( überraschend viele Anbieter nicht bestellen Englisch Installationsmedien für Sie , auch wenn Sie etwas mehr Geld angeboten ) .

    Keine Panik , Sie sind nicht das Schlimmste. Es gibt große Unternehmen, die es noch ärgerlich , automatisch eine Weiterleitung an deutschen Seiten hier zu Niederländisch Seiten in den Niederlanden und den finnischen Seiten in Finnland , so dass die Seiten in anderen Sprachen nur dann, wenn ein ausländischer Proxy verwendet wird öffnen.

    Bitte nicht für mich entscheiden, welche Sprache ich verwenden soll !

    Yours , Kari
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  3. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,520
    Windows 10 Pro
       09 Oct 2013 #3

    Julian, if I may say so your machine translation is really bad . Interesting but baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!
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  4.    09 Oct 2013 #4

    hey!!!! i spent weeks learning german just to be able to communicate with you properly Kari.
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  5.    09 Oct 2013 #5

    ok i lied.
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  6.    09 Oct 2013 #6

    And he's not even German Boo.
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  7.    09 Oct 2013 #7

    nae flies on you missus.
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  8. Joined : Oct 2013
    Bay Area
    Posts : 12,921
    Windows 7 Home Premium x64
       11 Oct 2013 #8

    Well written piece Kari. Jules...not so much

    A Guy
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  9.    12 Oct 2013 #9

    My German is so bad I actually understood Julian's translation!
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  10.    12 Oct 2013 #10

    Kari, post: 29, member: 11 said:
    Hi there in Redmond.

    Please let me tell you about something that might surprise you: In modern times, quite a many of us are living ex-pat life abroad, using Windows and its applications in another language than the official language(s) of our adoptive countries.

    But wait, shouldn't you know this already? I think yes, you should, but apparently you do not. As I think I am a good example of ex-pat users I am talking about, I will tell you something about my struggle with Windows localization.

    Coming from a bilingual environment I have two mother tongues, Finnish and Swedish. I live and work in Germany speaking German home with my wife and neighbors but using English as my main language, both at work and among my personal friends. All my computers at home and at work, mainly Windows rigs but also a few Macs and Novell Suse Linux machines, have the same "language and location" settings: Display language English, input language Finnish (its layout allows me to type all four languages without constantly switching layout), location UK & formats UK (only changing the £ sign to €).

    Although speaking and reading almost perfect German (official government tests, best possible result for a non-native speaker), I do prefer using English in my mainly UK-US-Irish-Scandinavian social circles. Instead of German dubbed TV I follow Scandinavian and UK TV with original audio tracks and only go to the movies in selected theaters showing original versions instead of typical German dubbed ones. Over 90% of books, magazines and newspapers I read are in English, Swedish or Finnish.

    That's enough background information. Why do you geeks in Redmond not understand that there are quite a many people like me, working and / or living abroad? Why does Bing in a new Windows 8.1 installation with English display language and location set to England by default show German search results? Why do so many Microsoft websites default to German pages, why can't you make a simple change in system and tell Windows and all its apps that wherever the IP shows the computer physically is, if the display language is not that of the country of the physical location, then all apps, web pages and services etc. should use the language user has selected? If the location set by user does not match with the physical location, it should automatically mean that all location based services should use the location selected by the user, not the physical location.

    Simple: Let user select in which language he / she wants all information, understand that not every user here in Germany uses German as main language, no more than for instance an American in China uses Chinese. Let user in Australia to get his / her news from India if so chosen by selecting location India.

    Also your online services should remember these things. Next time my Outlook.com shows everything in German when I use it on an Internet café with their PC I might just close that account and open a Gmail account instead; I have set my Outlook.com service to use English and it's this my personal selection you should offer me, you should not check in which country the PC is and offer the service using that language. The localized online services should always check which language user has selected in his / her settings.

    You have already taken a step on right direction with Windows 8: now I do not need to get a specific business edition of Windows to be able to use language packs, Windows 8 offers this possibility in every edition. Earlier it was always a pain you know where to buy a PC here with a German edition of Windows preinstalled, then order an English one online (surprisingly many vendors did not order an English install media for you even if you offered some extra money).

    Don't panic, you are not the worst. There are big companies doing it even more annoyingly, automatically redirecting to German pages here, to Dutch pages in the Netherlands and to Finnish pages in Finland, allowing to open pages in other languages only when a foreign proxy is used.

    Please do not decide for me which language I should use!

    Yours, Kari
    I don't think anyone could've said it any better kari!

    As for the local country language I completely agree with you! I just don't know if it will be possible depending on if there are country specific websites that are restricted therefore location would have to be determined by IP. That being said you should still be able to view it whatever your language.

    I always thought that language packs as a feature in 7 ultimate was a disgrace and it was as if they ran out of ideas other than including bit locker!

    Josh
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