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  1.    04 Aug 2015 #1
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    Why I Upgraded to My Lovely Windows 10


    Why I Upgraded to My Lovely Windows 10
    1. Iíve seen many complaints about Windows 10, such as, ďYou cannot create an OS that is useful and optimized for touch screens and also is useful and optimized for mice and keyboards. You just simply can't. You focus on mice and keyboards, or you focus on touch screens and tablets.Ē Actually, you can, and Microsoft has pulled it off quite nicely. I have one Desktop, three Laptops and two Android tablets.

    Letís take the Ďdroid first. Everyone knows tablets are touch, right? They were never built for mice or keyboards, right? Of course they are; guess what! My first act was to purchase a Bluetooth mouse and a Bluetooth keyboard for my tablets. Works just as well with the mouse and keyboard as with touch. Screen stays nicer too; no smudges or smears.

    I was leery about Windows 10 (and Windows 8 for that matter) being built for either touch or keyboard and mouse. No worries at all. This desktop is a non-touch device, yet I have no problems using my mouse and keyboard with it. Whatever I want to do, it can be done with this computer. The same holds true for my three non-touch laptops.

    Itís even been said that, ďevery single mouse user wanted the classic start menu back, optimized for mice and keyboards.Ē Ummm, well, I admit I wouldnít mind seeing the Windows 7 interface back, but well, I really donít have a problem using my mouse on Windows 10 (or Windows 8 for that matter). Using my mouse in Windows 10 is just as intuitive as it was in Windows 7. And no, I donít use Start 8 or Classic Shell. Donít need Ďem.

    2. Icons: Itís been said, ďOversimplify comes with distortion, misunder-standing, errors, less information per menu, confusion, loss of features, more clicks of course, slower workflow and headacheĒ. O . . . K, what about those of us who actually like simplicity? Is this what we have to look forward to? I think not.

    Itís also been said, ďWe need icons that are ďfull of details, shadows, brightness, contrast, and colors, don't create for an advanced 2015 machine a bunch of 20-years-old icons. Create crispier, more beautiful and graphically better icons and interfacesĒ. Waitjustaminnittharpodnah! Sure, some icons lack a certain pizazz, but letís not get so carried away that Windows 10 is full of bloat. BTW, you can change icons.

    3. WiFi Itís been said, ďAnd now, you can only, and I mean it, you can ONLY left-click a WiFi in the list and connect to it. That's it. No properties from that menu, no nothing. Just a connect button and that's it. I beg to differ, in that you can go to Settings>Network and Internet and there are all the settings one needs to set up whatever is necessary. Methinks an hour just isnít enough time to get to know all the really cool features in Windows 10.

    4. Control Panel Itís been said, ďThe new Control Panel is ugly, a waste of space, is sad, very sad, no colors, atomic blinding white everywhere (more Lollipop stuff, surprise), you feel like you're actually using a Windows Store app instead of Window's Control Panel.Ē I guess you canít please all of the people all of the time. Oh, well.

    ďAnd the very best of all, if you try to change an "advanced option", the Metro Control Panel closes itself and BOOM!, the classic Control Panel appears. Yeah, pathetic, so pathetic.Ē Actually, I think this is by design, since those of us who have been testing the Windows 10 Technical Preview all know and understand, the Control Panel will eventually be deprecated and Settings will take its place. There has been and will continue to be a small learning curve (maybe thatís why MS left the Control Panel for a while longer), but the more I use Settings, the more I learn about it.

    5. Windows Update Itís been said, ďYou, user, have no control over Updates. Even drivers, yeah, Windows Update will download them and install them, it doesn't matter if you want them or not. It will happen.Ē Well, yes, we do. Microsoft has capitulated and will offer an app to allow us to choose what will be installed. Methinks some folks are so against Windows 10 that they have no incentive to check whether theyíre right or not.

    6. File Explorer Itís been called Windows Explorer, but itís File Explorer. Yet more complaints, mostly about File Explorer being ďwhiteĒ. As weíve discussed early on, there are other ways to view Windows 10; some just havenít figured it out yet. J

    7. Bigger Contextual Menus Itís been said, ďAgain, tablets. Now you right-click an icon, and the items in the menu are noticeably more separated, which means bigger contextual menus that doesn't fit at all a PC with a mouse. The separation of the items in all the previous Windows is the same, and it is perfect for mice, it's clearly a separation that has been studied to be comfortable. Now we have illogically bigger menus that are objectively worse than all the previous Windows because of the space, and if you mix that with a PC that has a lot of programs with its own entries in the context menu, you will end up with a total waste of space and less efficiency.Ē Again itís obvious that those who are complaining about the menus in Windows 10 havenít taken the time to learn whatís what. The ďtilesĒ can be pinned to or unpinned from Start. The ďtilesĒ can be resized to small, medium or large. When I resized mine to small, they can be butted up so close as to be almost touching. So, there doesnít seem to be a real problem with the tiles unless one just wants to complain for the sake of complaining.

    8. Drivers Itís been said, ďI don't know how Microsoft have the guts to release a new Windows OS that is not fully compatible with drivers that are from 2014 and are released specifically for its latest Windows 8.1 OS, which is almost the same, but better than 10.Ē Itís not up to Microsoft to build drivers for third party hardware and peripherals. Itís up to the manufacturer to build said drivers and hand them off to Microsoft for inclusion in its OS. When new hardware is built by a manufacturer, itís their responsibility to create drivers that will make said hardware run on Windows.

    9. Slower Boot Itís been said, ďI don't know if it's because my cache SSD software now is not compatible with Windows 10, but my lenovo took in Windows 8.1 18 second from shut down state to Chrome opened and showing Google fully loaded. I installed Windows 10, and after rebooting and updating everything, and rebooting several times, I achieved 33 seconds in the same boot up sequence. And I'm not the only one, I've read plenty, plenty of users complaining about their PC's being slower when using Windows 10, some SSD's not working well, issues with Samsung Magician...Ē Again, itís not up to Microsoft to build drivers for SSD drives any more than it is for regular hard drives or any other hardware included in Windows machines. Itís up to the SSD manufacturer to supply Microsoft with drivers for said drives. Not all SSD drives are up to the job any more, simply because the manufacturers havenít seen fit to build new drivers for older technology.

    Well, thatís all I have for now, and Iím probably going to be told I donít know anything about what Iíve written, and that may be so. Still, Iím getting along quite nicely with My Lovely Windows 10.
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  2.    04 Aug 2015 #2
    Join Date : Jul 2015
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    Windows 10 Enterprise x64 (build 10586)

    Well, the people who upgraded computers which were okayed by both the manufacturer's website and/or Get Windows 10 for the upgrade but then ran into driver problems kind of have a point, but the rest is just exaggerated. You can't complain about the icons. If you think that Aero icons would look better with Windows 10's overall flat theme, then no, just no. And I'm sure that someone will release an Aero IconPackager theme eventually, anyway, so if you do want out-of-place icons, then shovel up $10 for it. Windows 10 in desktop mode feels nothing like Windows 8. You don't have to move your mouse to the top corner then down in order to get to the Search, you don't have to scroll across 20 pages of icons just to reach your desired program, your apps don't take up the entire screen, etc., but there is a tablet mode which restores a Windows 8-like interface if you do have a touchscreen. I mean, give me one way that Windows 10 is optimized for touchscreen only in desktop mode. A useful tip is you can open the Network and Sharing center by right clicking the WiFi or Ethernet icon. The Control Panel is, meh, but its a big improvement over the PC Settings of Windows 8. They just didn't try hard enough to integrate all of the Control Panel items into it.

    A big gripe that I have about Windows 10 and Windows 8 is it no longer has "Window color and metrics" so you can't easily customize things like the title bar. It's still possible by modifying the registry, but that's tedious.
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  3.    04 Aug 2015 #3
    Join Date : Nov 2014
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    Windows 10 Insider

    I think that the post is a great coverage of things that have happened, been said and stated in various areas. There is always going to be conflict on who's responsibility it is for drivers, human nature.

    For myself, I have upgraded all but one of my computers to Win 10 and will not be going back. Within an hour of installing on my laptop and other computers I was already cleaning up the upgrade files. Now that I am on Win 10 for all of these computers I will go one step farther and clean install every one of them.

    My personal opinion on this process is that it was done very well. For all the different upgrades that I did I didn't lose anything, files or programs. That is, programs that were staying, WMC did go away and the DVD player was installed on the Win7 computers.
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  4.    04 Aug 2015 #4
    Join Date : May 2015
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    Tried 10 Returned to 8.1

    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    ďI don't know if it's because my cache SSD software now is not compatible with Windows 10,
    I'm so glad I read your post. I have been running W-10 on my laptop since 7/29 and have come to grips with the differences/changes when compared to 8.1 and was about ready to go ahead with the upgrade to W-10 on my desktop until I read your post and confirmed with other sources that Expresscache does not work with W-10. That's a deal killer for me. My desktop is my primary computer and if my cache drive is inoperable with W-10 that is not an upgrade but a downgrade.
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  5.    04 Aug 2015 #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by gator2013 View Post
    I'm so glad I read your post. I have been running W-10 on my laptop since 7/29 and have come to grips with the differences/changes when compared to 8.1 and was about ready to go ahead with the upgrade to W-10 on my desktop until I read your post and confirmed with other sources that Expresscache does not work with W-10. That's a deal killer for me. My desktop is my primary computer and if my cache drive is inoperable with W-10 that is not an upgrade but a downgrade.
    Gator, have you gone to the manufacturer's site to find drivers?

    I don't know if this will help, but here's what I found: ExpressCache - 3x Your PC Speed | Diskeeper
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  6.    05 Aug 2015 #6
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    "A big gripe that I have about Windows 10 and Windows 8 is it no longer has "Window color and metrics" so you can't easily customize things like the title bar. It's still possible by modifying the registry, but that's tedious."

    You do have some color changes that can be made for the taskbar, start menu and I thought it does the title bar. What this does is change all at the same time, not individual.
    Right Click Start Menu --> Run--> type "control color" when this screen comes up drop down "show color mixer" and this allows various changes to color and so forth.

    Don't know if this is exactly what you were looking for or not. For myself it allowed me to "darken" all of the areas that I use such as the start menu, taskbar and the titles.
    Last edited by cpupro; 05 Aug 2015 at 08:07.
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  7.    05 Aug 2015 #7
    Join Date : Jan 2014
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    Windows 10 Pro x64

    @Wynona...
    Thanks for the great review. I have to agree with most if not all of your comments. I just did the upgrade because I was/am impressed with Win10 overall. It's a nice blend of WIn7/WIn8.1, IMO.

    And for me .. it just works perfectly.
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  8.    05 Aug 2015 #8
    Join Date : Jun 2015
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    Windows 7 Pro x64, Windows 10 Pro x64

    Hi Wyn,

    I have an impression that your post is meant to be some sort of a counterweight to yesterday's rant about "Why I don't like Windows Ten so much". As both views seem to be polarised and a bit biased, I feel like saying that the truth usually lies in between.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    2. Icons: It’s been said, “Oversimplify comes with distortion, misunder-standing, errors, less information per menu, confusion, loss of features, more clicks of course, slower workflow and headache”. O . . . K, what about those of us who actually like simplicity? Is this what we have to look forward to? I think not.

    It’s also been said, “We need icons that are “full of details, shadows, brightness, contrast, and colors, don't create for an advanced 2015 machine a bunch of 20-years-old icons. Create crispier, more beautiful and graphically better icons and interfaces”. Waitjustaminnittharpodnah! Sure, some icons lack a certain pizazz, but let’s not get so carried away that Windows 10 is full of bloat. BTW, you can change icons.
    I believe that this is just a matter of personal taste and preferences, and those are not really disputable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    4. Control Panel [...] “And the very best of all, if you try to change an "advanced option", the Metro Control Panel closes itself and BOOM!, the classic Control Panel appears. Yeah, pathetic, so pathetic.” Actually, I think this is by design, since those of us who have been testing the Windows 10 Technical Preview all know and understand, the Control Panel will eventually be deprecated and Settings will take its place. There has been and will continue to be a small learning curve (maybe that’s why MS left the Control Panel for a while longer), but the more I use Settings, the more I learn about it.
    I understand the direction MS took is to gradually replace the traditional WIN32 control panel with more "modern", WinRT-based UI. What I don't understand (and probably never will) is why that almost automatically implies stripping vital features. I just see no justification for that. Examples: much less control over UI. (colours, borders, title bars, fonts, etc.). No control over network profiles (changing type between private and public), renaming and merging (important for roaming users). Windows Update is, excuse me, for dummies, not professionals (and we are talking about the PRO edition).

    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    5. Windows Update It’s been said, “You, user, have no control over Updates. Even drivers, yeah, Windows Update will download them and install them, it doesn't matter if you want them or not. It will happen.” Well, yes, we do. Microsoft has capitulated and will offer an app to allow us to choose what will be installed. Methinks some folks are so against Windows 10 that they have no incentive to check whether they’re right or not.
    Capitulated? Really? Sorry, what MS did is both pathetic and ridiculous. For whatever mysterious reason they removed really vital feature of WU and instead of bringing it back (or exposing to the new Settings) they merely provided a prosthetic, which does not quite work anyway (hiding a driver update does not stop it from installing). I don't mind switching to a new UI, even if I don't like at first, but it must not stop me from doing things I need.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    9. Slower Boot It’s been said, “I don't know if it's because my cache SSD software now is not compatible with Windows 10, but my lenovo took in Windows 8.1 18 second from shut down state to Chrome opened and showing Google fully loaded. I installed Windows 10, and after rebooting and updating everything, and rebooting several times, I achieved 33 seconds in the same boot up sequence. And I'm not the only one, I've read plenty, plenty of users complaining about their PC's being slower when using Windows 10, some SSD's not working well, issues with Samsung Magician...” Again, it’s not up to Microsoft to build drivers for SSD drives any more than it is for regular hard drives or any other hardware included in Windows machines. It’s up to the SSD manufacturer to supply Microsoft with drivers for said drives. Not all SSD drives are up to the job any more, simply because the manufacturers haven’t seen fit to build new drivers for older technology.
    Well, first of all the original complaint seems void, as the boot time comparison was based on incomparable environments (one with working SSD, one without). But there is some truth in it. For example, I have two nearly identical environments that I think I can compare. In the same laptop, on the same HDD, there are two identical partitions. One with the original Windows 7 and the other with a clone of the first, upgraded to Build 10240 a.k.a. RTM/GA. Bootup times are similar, with Windows 10 appearing sligtly faster (but it may just be me). Everyday tasks are equally snappy on both instances. However, resuming from hibernation is so catastrophically and unacceptably long with Windows 10 that I am considering rethinking my many-years-long habits.

    Wrapping it all up - I tend to be an early-adopter, there's a lot of fun with it. But folks at MS have quite a long way to go before they can seduce me away from Windows 7. For now there are more flaws than virtues in W10, if you compare the two.

    Cheers,
    poset
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  9.    05 Aug 2015 #9
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    I was pleasantly surprised to find that drivers downloaded via Windows update were not an issue for me. I've had issues with AMD's Catalyst Control Center and DisplayLink drivers on my laptop. ASUS doesn't list any Windows 10 drivers for my laptop. On the first boot into Windows 10 CCC was installed and worked a charm, switchable graphics and all. The ASUS Smart Gesture Utility installed via Windows update too. That gets me my two finger scroll etc. I always had to install that manually in Windows 8.1. Plugged in my external USB 3 monitor, DisplayLink installed automatically, and one reboot latter I had dual displays. Didn't have to set the resolution either, which I had to do in Windows 8.1 for some reason.

    Just did a clean install on my very old ASUS M2N68 based desktop and same deal. Didn't have to install one driver manually. NVidia display drivers installed on the first reboot into 10. Sound, network, it all worked. As always though YMMV.
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  10.    05 Aug 2015 #10
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    Michigan, USA
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    Windows 10 Home x64

    I am also very happy with the upgrade, which I did on my Asus T300 and my main gaming/audio rig. Of course, it was not without a few hiccups:

    Asus T300 -- had to re-install trackpad driver (not a big deal, obviously)
    Gaming rig -- ended up doing a clean install because I was having issues with my external audio interface

    But overall I'm very pleased with how Windows 10 turned out, and I can already say that I wouldn't want to go back. I like the way it looks, and it seems even faster than Windows 8.x to me.

    Of course, this is all a work in progress, and I'm sure there will be more changes and improvements to come, not to mention bug fixes.
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