Using a Greek Keyboard - cannot put in the 'tonos' over a letter!

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  1. HeM
    Posts : 391
    Win 10 Pro x64 v.22Η2
       #11

    @moggie
    What happens in Windows 10 native virtual keyboard (ΕΛ or EL) when you keep touching/holding, for example, "α" character for a second or so?

    By the same way, you may see/select many special characters, too (like two "s" [σ/ς]).
    Last edited by HeM; 16 Feb 2019 at 06:15.
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  2. Posts : 90
    Windows 10
    Thread Starter
       #12

    Thank you so much HeM!
    I did exactly as you said - held down the greek letter that needed a tonos over it and the letter appeared in a above the keyboard with the tonos and clicking that enabled me to complete the word correctly!
    Great!
    Moggie
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  3. HeM
    Posts : 391
    Win 10 Pro x64 v.22Η2
       #13

    You're very welcome !

    It works like a smart phone keyboard.
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  4. Posts : 3,513
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H1 (May 2021 build 19043.1083)
       #14

    Hello!

    I confirm this bug too! When using a physical keyboard with Greek layout (plain "Greek" or "Greek Polytonic", the other variants are for special purposes, rarely used by the an ordinary Greek user), you can accent a vowel by first pressing the accent key and then the vowel. For modern Greek (only the acute accent or "tonos" used) you press the ";" key (that one next to "L") and then a vowel, such as "A". This will get you alpha with tonos (ά). But when using the onscreen keyboard (in a tablet) there is no way to do such a key combination. Pressing the ";" key doesn't wait for the vowel, but outputs the tonos (') alone, just like pressing ";" and a space with a physical keyboard. So it is seems you cannot type accented Greek characters with the onscreen keyboard. So by default the onscreen keyboard ignores any key combination (except SHIFT) and just outputs the key you click on. I could not find any way to change this behavior so it accepts the tonos key and waits for the vowel. This doesn't affect icelandic because (I guess) each accented character is a different key, not a key combination. Anyone knows how to work around this bug? Any French or other fellow that uses accented characters? How do you do it with the onscreen keyboard?
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  5. Posts : 11,247
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #15

    spapakons said:
    Hello!

    I confirm this bug too! When using a physical keyboard with Greek layout (plain "Greek" or "Greek Polytonic", the other variants are for special purposes, rarely used by the an ordinary Greek user), you can accent a vowel by first pressing the accent key and then the vowel. For modern Greek (only the acute accent or "tonos" used) you press the ";" key (that one next to "L") and then a vowel, such as "A". This will get you alpha with tonos (ά). But when using the onscreen keyboard (in a tablet) there is no way to do such a key combination. Pressing the ";" key doesn't wait for the vowel, but outputs the tonos (') alone, just like pressing ";" and a space with a physical keyboard. So it is seems you cannot type accented Greek characters with the onscreen keyboard. So by default the onscreen keyboard ignores any key combination (except SHIFT) and just outputs the key you click on. I could not find any way to change this behavior so it accepts the tonos key and waits for the vowel. This doesn't affect icelandic because (I guess) each accented character is a different key, not a key combination. Anyone knows how to work around this bug? Any French or other fellow that uses accented characters? How do you do it with the onscreen keyboard?
    Hi there
    @spapakons

    Yes correct -- never thought of that.

    Icelandic keystrokes are 1 char essentailly so problem doesn't arise.

    For Euro symbol though you have to press right alt+4 - but I think on keyboards without € symbol that's standard anyway.

    Using a Greek Keyboard - cannot put in the 'tonos' over a letter!-islkeyb.png

    cheers
    jimbo
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  6. Posts : 3,513
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H1 (May 2021 build 19043.1083)
       #16

    With the Greek layout the Euro sign (€) is CTRL+ALT+E, no way to do it with the onscreen keyboard either.
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  7. Posts : 30,603
    Windows 10 (Pro and Insider Pro)
       #17

    spapakons said:
    With the Greek layout the Euro sign (€) is CTRL+ALT+E, no way to do it with the onscreen keyboard either.
    Any other virtual keyboards in Store? I fund only one...
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  8. HeM
    Posts : 391
    Win 10 Pro x64 v.22Η2
       #18

    spapakons said:
    ...So it is seems you cannot type accented Greek characters with the onscreen keyboard....How do you do it with the onscreen keyboard?
    You may check for this:
    Using a Greek Keyboard - cannot put in the 'tonos' over a letter!-keyb.jpg

    ...getting full keyboard:
    Using a Greek Keyboard - cannot put in the 'tonos' over a letter!-keyb1.jpg
    ...which works as the real one.
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  9. Posts : 3,513
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H1 (May 2021 build 19043.1083)
       #19

    SOLVED!!!! Since you are using the onscreen keyboard on a tablet (or a Windows phone) Microsoft tries to immitate Android phone behavior. This means that to enter an accented character in Greek just tap and hold the vowel and then you can select between the plain vowel and the accented variant. To enter the Euro sign you click on the 123 to change to numbers/symbols. I was glad to help!

    No need to use the full keyboard that takes half the screen, I always prefer the compact version.
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  10. Posts : 11,247
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #20

    Hi there
    @spapakons

    just curious -- not wishing to hijack the thread -- but what about things like Square brackets "[]" and the tilde sign "~" -- these aren't specific language issues. On UK extended keyboard they work fine so whatever language I'm in I just momentarily switch to UK extended !!! Not sure though how you would do it on touch screens though --

    Windows allows you whatever language you are using to have a whole slew of input keyboards -- sometimes quite useful.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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