Microsoft downgrade , we are on our way to Windows 95

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  1. Posts : 11,184
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #21

    Hi folks

    @Bree

    Not sure why Homegroups were ever needed in the first place.

    Standard sharing works just fine and same process from a Linux type NAS - just enable the directories / Disks you want to share and who is allowed to access them with level of access e.g read read/write create etc.

    For NAS type systems samba works impeccabily as well. Just give users you want access.

    I never did understand why Ms went in for the Home groups or even the totally unnecessary Home server OS.

    Here's an XP Virtual machine accessing large several TB HDD's on a NAS with no problem -- no need for homegroups / home server etc -- this was just bog standard file sharing which worked even from XP days usually without fuss.

    Microsoft downgrade , we are on our way to Windows 95-samba.png


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  2. Posts : 668
    Win 10 pro
       #22

    spapakons said:
    ...To share any folder, right-click and select Share or Properties and then go to Share tab. It is that easy! ... You think Linux is easier? Think again!
    Probably it is easy what you already know and how to use it.
    You can try it yourself, in Ubuntu Linux you can actually right-click and share folders just as you can in windows, I guess you don't know that; so I would say it is as easy as in windows.
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  3. Posts : 668
    Win 10 pro
       #23

    spapakons said:
    For most users: Stay clear from Linux!
    Nope, I will not stay clear, i like it.
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  4. Posts : 3,174
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H1 (May 2021 build 19043.1083)
       #24

    roy111 said:
    Nope, I will not stay clear, i like it.
    Let's do a simple experiment. Install Linux for a friend that is a typical Windows user (if he has used Linux before doesn't count). Then wait to see home many times he is going to call you for help and what will be his opinion after a week! I am considered an expert in Windows and have tried occasionally Ubuntu in a VM but there are some times that I want to do something and have to search in the Askubuntu forum for an answer. And the most annoying of all, I frequently have to type stuff in the terminal even for the simplest task as installing a driver! The average user should never need to type commands at a prompt! We are in 2018, not 1988!
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  5. Posts : 668
    Win 10 pro
       #25

    spapakons said:
    Let's do a simple experiment. Install Linux for a friend that is a typical Windows user (if he has used Linux before doesn't count). Then wait to see home many times he is going to call you for help and what will be his opinion after a week!
    Why should I do that? They use to call me to resolve windows problems, quite pointless.

    spapakons said:
    I am considered an expert in Windows and have tried occasionally Ubuntu in a VM but there are some times that I want to do something and have to search in the Askubuntu forum for an answer.
    You can not expect to resolve Ubuntu problems with windows solution, that's normal.

    spapakons said:
    And the most annoying of all, I frequently have to type stuff in the terminal even for the simplest task as installing a driver! The average user should never need to type commands at a prompt! We are in 2018, not 1988!
    No, you do not need to install driver using the terminal; beside I had to delete the "windows.old" folder using the cmd terminal in windows 10, in 2018, also I have to use the terminal to remove several apps that I do not need in windows 10, in 2018; so even if it was true, the terminal must be used also in Windows, so no difference there.
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    Win10 Version 21H2 Pro and Home, Win11 Pro
       #26

    Running Windows 10 Version 1809 Build 17763.134 [latest] and I thought Homegroup was gone but guess what?
    Attachment 215015
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  7. Posts : 668
    Win 10 pro
       #27

    Berton said:
    Running Windows 10 Version 1809 Build 17763.134 [latest] and I thought Homegroup was gone but guess what?
    Attachment 215015
    Those are empty placeholders, they don't work anymore.
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  8. Posts : 11,184
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #28

    spapakons said:
    Let's do a simple experiment. Install Linux for a friend that is a typical Windows user (if he has used Linux before doesn't count). Then wait to see home many times he is going to call you for help and what will be his opinion after a week! I am considered an expert in Windows and have tried occasionally Ubuntu in a VM but there are some times that I want to do something and have to search in the Askubuntu forum for an answer. And the most annoying of all, I frequently have to type stuff in the terminal even for the simplest task as installing a driver! The average user should never need to type commands at a prompt! We are in 2018, not 1988!

    Hi there
    Computers can be connected to almost anything these days so it's impossible to have a database connected to every single possible piece of hardware with their drivers -- sometimes things are really unique or very specialized and built individually for a specific application that a normal windows / Linux system wouldn't be able to pick up automatically --whether 1988 or even 2088 !!

    I doubt for example you'd install as standard windows or Linux drivers for hardware monitoring say gases emanating out of potential Icelandic volcano sites !!.

    Nice pic here of Eyjafjallajökull eruption in 2010.

    Microsoft downgrade , we are on our way to Windows 95-v1.png


    Katla though is a much more possible imminent possibility.

    Microsoft downgrade , we are on our way to Windows 95-v2.png

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. Posts : 3,174
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H1 (May 2021 build 19043.1083)
       #29

    If you read my previous reply carefully, you will see that I didn't mentioned or implied that all the drivers should be included with the OS either Windows or Linux. Even if some of them are included, I always prefer to download the latest OEM (proprietary, not generic) drivers for compatibility reasons and to enable all features. But I certainly prefer the installation wizard in Windows from having to type commands at a terminal like in Ubuntu! In 2018 only ITs and other professionals should use command prompt or Powershell or terminal (you name it). A regular user should always do things the easy way with the GUI. I hope we at least agree to that. That's why I would never recommend Linux for the regular user (my parents for example). If anyone would ask me I would tell him to use it at his own risk and I would avoid providing support, otherwise he would call me several times per day for help! Of course I wouldn't like that.
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  10. Posts : 12,430
    Win10 Version 21H2 Pro and Home, Win11 Pro
       #30

    A regular user should always do things the easy way with the GUI. I hope we at least agree to that.
    That may be a part of why many things are included in the install of Windows, probably OOBE [Out Of Box Experience].

    I use Linux but not as often as Windows, will be looking into/considering setting up 2 Notebooks with Linux Mint for our local animal shelter that will get used a few times a year away from the main office for a vaccination clinic they host. Don't need the time crunch in getting them ready as they only need Internet access for their data entry needs, the LTS of 5 years is a plus. Windows with its WaaS [Windows as a Service] is a hindrance with their Upgrades and updates to the Upgrades.
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