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  1.    03 Aug 2015 #1

    C'mon Ms let XP users upgrade too W10 could be the REAL XP killer


    Hi there

    XP is STILL being run on quite a lot of computers - and the longer this goes on the security risks will get bigger.

    Ms has given so much away now why don't they just go that little bit extra and allow XP users to update -- They could easily do it by validating the XP key before activating a Clean W10 upgrade.

    Ms has always said it wants people to move away from XP -- well HELP THEM DO IT.

    This would KILL XP quicker than almost anything else - Ms would also make money too -- for example people would probably upgrade Office to use Outlook as Outlook Express wouldn't work any more plus all the other services Ms is flogging now.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  2.    03 Aug 2015 #2
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    MS won't, they are not going to want to hear complaints that old machines running slow with 10.
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  3.    03 Aug 2015 #3
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    Windows 10 Pro

    People had their chance with the Insider Program to get Windows 10 for free. Even if they're forced to be on Insider builds, it's still a better situation than still being on XP.
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  4.    03 Aug 2015 #4
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    10 (Free upgrade)

    Yup, I'm with aem.

    It's likely that most computers still running XP either won't run Windows 10 or will run it really badly.

    Imagine the customer service resources swallowed up trying to get XP users and their crappy machines on track!
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  5.    03 Aug 2015 #5

    Hi there

    Not always true -- I updated a cheap and nasty netbook with an old ATOM processor that really ran W7 HORRIBLY, although XP ran fine-- W10 ran OK too. Netbook 2GB RAM running W10 x-86 PRO. I upgraded to W7 first thinking W10 would be too difficult -- not a bit of it. W7 WAS A DOG on that machine, but W10 fine.

    Colleague really pleased -- Netbook used for Office (installed Office 2016 trial too) / Internet browsing / bit of email and some movie watching with VLC media player. Perfect for what the guy wants to do with it --why chuck it in the bin.

    Some of those old machines can run W10 quite nicely - often a lot better than W7 - and you can breathe a lot of life into these machines by putting in an SSD instead of the cheap and REALLY nasty HDD.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6.    03 Aug 2015 #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    Not always true -- I updated a cheap and nasty netbook with an old ATOM processor that really ran W7 HORRIBLY, although XP ran fine-- W10 ran OK too. Netbook 2GB RAM running W10 x-86 PRO. I upgraded to W7 first thinking W10 would be too difficult -- not a bit of it. W7 WAS A DOG on that machine, but W10 fine.

    Colleague really pleased -- Netbook used for Office (installed Office 2016 trial too) / Internet browsing / bit of email and some movie watching with VLC media player. Perfect for what the guy wants to do with it --why chuck it in the bin.

    Some of those old machines can run W10 quite nicely - often a lot better than W7 - and you can breathe a lot of life into these machines by putting in an SSD instead of the cheap and REALLY nasty HDD.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Don't put all your eggs in the basket yet. Any new OS install on the worst of worst machine will run fine but wait for the coming weeks.

    I've worked with old machine and installed 7 on them, ran fine until weeks later when patches are being applied. They then came to a complete stop.
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  7.    03 Aug 2015 #7
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    Xp is no longer supported.. so why would MS waste both time and money getting Win10 ready/tested for that upgrade?? I could see it if it were supported but it's not. And keep in mind that the hardware requirements for Xp are not likely satisfactory to support WIn10.
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  8.    03 Aug 2015 #8

    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    Xp is no longer supported.. so why would MS waste both time and money getting Win10 ready/tested for that upgrade?? I could see it if it were supported but it's not. And keep in mind that the hardware requirements for Xp are not likely satisfactory to support WIn10.
    I'd partially agree with that, although some machines (I'm sure a hyperthreaded P4) would run the x86 build just fine with 4 gb of RAM. My workstation can't run the x64 build of 8.1 or 10 because of the processor compatibility issues, but it would run the x86 version just fine. Believe me, I'm on Vista x64 (which is a resource hogging pig next to Windows 10) but it smokes on my system.

    The other thing that Jimbo might want to keep in mind is that XP users are really stubborn. There are a few things about Windows NT 6x class systems that remove it completely off the table for XP fans:

    The component store is a biggie. I do realize that the benefits of the WinSxS are certain. But it is indeed horribly inefficient. The old $hf_mig$ folder wasted space too but that was usually less than a gigabyte. And I agree that 7/8/10 have brought space-saving improvements here. But the Component Store is a killer for XP fans.

    Aero Glass also seems to be a no go as well, but I wish they would understand that Aero used with a suitable video adapter actually improves video performance by offloading tasks to the GPU. I admit I tend to like Windows Basic, but I'm not experiencing slowdowns. And with glass effects being excised from Windows 8/10, those who don't care for transparency should be pleased.

    While "eatup" was still on this board, I suggested that perhaps Microsoft should provide a build of Windows that provides the classic/XP look so that XP users would be encouraged to upgrade, but he'd hear none of that. He doesn't want the bloated MMC tools like the modern Event Viewer and Task Scheduler, the Component Store, or heavier Indexing that makes the moder-day search work. They would only be happy if updates were made to XP. No movement on that.
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  9.    03 Aug 2015 #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jody Thornton View Post
    I'd partially agree with that, although some machines (I'm sure a hyperthreaded P4) would run the x86 build just fine with 4 gb of RAM. My workstation can't run the x64 build of 8.1 or 10 because of the processor compatibility issues, but it would run the x86 version just fine. Believe me, I'm on Vista x64 (which is a resource hogging pig next to Windows 10) but it smokes on my system.

    The other thing that Jimbo might want to keep in mind is that XP users are really stubborn. There are a few things about Windows NT 6x class systems that remove it completely off the table for XP fans:

    The component store is a biggie. I do realize that the benefits of the WinSxS are certain. But it is indeed horribly inefficient. The old $hf_mig$ folder wasted space too but that was usually less than a gigabyte. And I agree that 7/8/10 have brought space-saving improvements here. But the Component Store is a killer for XP fans.

    Aero Glass also seems to be a no go as well, but I wish they would understand that Aero used with a suitable video adapter actually improves video performance by offloading tasks to the GPU. I admit I tend to like Windows Basic, but I'm not experiencing slowdowns. And with glass effects being excised from Windows 8/10, those who don't care for transparency should be pleased.

    While "eatup" was still on this board, I suggested that perhaps Microsoft should provide a build of Windows that provides the classic/XP look so that XP users would be encouraged to upgrade, but he'd hear none of that. He doesn't want the bloated MMC tools like the modern Event Viewer and Task Scheduler, the Component Store, or heavier Indexing that makes the moder-day search work. They would only be happy if updates were made to XP. No movement on that.
    I agree that some hardware that run Xp would be fine but the majority of it would not cut it.. again just my 2c on that. And MS is only going to support on look for 10 and integrating a Xp look is not in the cards.. again .. my 2c. A third party would have to do something to get that accomplished.

    Jeff
    PS, good points.
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  10.    03 Aug 2015 #10
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    Windows 8.1.1 64-bit

    The only thing I want on my XP 'box, is XP, so there it will be remaining.

    That machine (a 2.8Ghz Pentium 4 h/t with 1 gb of RAM and a 256mb GeForce 5700) wouldn't run Win 10 in a fit anyway, Vista Ultimate SP2 is about its limit (although it will run 7 with all the Aero turned off).

    It has several drives, all set as master, and I simply swap the cables depending on which of my older OSes I wish to use (currently the aforementioned Vista).

    No, it isn't net-enabled, nor is it likely to be. So 'security' simply isn't an issue.


    Wenda.
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