Default Partition Reversed on Update

  1. Wynona's Avatar
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    Default Partition Reversed on Update


    I've given feedback on Default partitions being reversed, especially by Fast Ring/Skip Ahead:

    I dual boot between Production and Insider versions of Windows 10. The Production partition is default.

    Insider partition gets an Update, so the next time I boot, Insider is the default! This is not something I like to see.

    I start the computer, walk away to get my morning coffee, expecting to boot my Production partition.

    I come back to my computer and start my work for the day . . . Whoops! Where are my files? Or, maybe I just open Word or Excel and create a new document or two, save and close down the system. The next time I boot, I realize my default has been changed . . . how do I restore my settings? Not everyone will know how to do that!

    Further, I start to look for the document I created and it's not there! Of course not . . . It's over on the Insider partition!

    Please, Microsoft, leave our Startup settings alone!

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  2. AndreTen's Avatar
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    Answered in other thread, but think I should do the same here.

    Not sure about that Wynona. But your troubles do make me think that this is something to consider.

    Take a quick look at this. You are updating a system. It has to be restarted several times - it should be set as default, if not permanently, then for the time of setup. And after update (upgrade really) you'll want to check it.

    I think, setting upgraded system as default suits me. And also, one of the firs things to do for me is to run command prompt and change dual boot name of upgraded system entry in boot manager (add Insider a the end):

    Code:
    bcdedit /set {current} description "Windows 10 Insider"
    If I want to change default, it is couple of clicks away.

    And what do you mean, you can't find your files? I have the same folders set as Documents, Pictures, Music...(and all the others) and upgrade never touches that. All my files are in the same position in Insider, Fast, Slow and production system.

    Current system is always C: other Windows is D:... and F: partition is for my files. (No, I wasn't affected with files deletion on the last upgrade)
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  3. Wynona's Avatar
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    AndreTen said:
    Answered in other thread, but think I should do the same here.

    Not sure about that Wynona. But your troubles do make me think that this is something to consider.

    Take a quick look at this. You are updating a system. It has to be restarted several times - it should be set as default, if not permanently, then for the time of setup. And after update (upgrade really) you'll want to check it.

    I think, setting upgraded system as default suits me. And also, one of the firs things to do for me is to run command prompt and change dual boot name of upgraded system entry in boot manager (add Insider a the end):

    Code:
    bcdedit /set {current} description "Windows 10 Insider"
    If I want to change default, it is couple of clicks away.

    And what do you mean, you can't find your files? I have the same folders set as Documents, Pictures, Music...(and all the others) and upgrade never touches that. All my files are in the same position in Insider, Fast, Slow and production system.

    Current system is always C: other Windows is D:... and F: partition is for my files. (No, I wasn't affected with files deletion on the last upgrade)
    I was going on the premise that files created are saved to the default folders, not to a Data Drive like I have set up. IOW, I'm on C:\ drive with Production . . . I create a file and it's saved in the Documents folder on said drive. Or, I'm on D:\ drive with Insider . . . I create a file and it's saved in the Documents folder on said drive.

    Very few home users will have any knowledge of installing an extra hard drive for holding their data. Especially if they have a laptop rather than a desktop.

    I didn't get affected by the file loss either.
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  4. Wynona's Avatar
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    AndreTen said:
    Answered in other thread, but think I should do the same here.

    Not sure about that Wynona. But your troubles do make me think that this is something to consider.

    Take a quick look at this. You are updating a system. It has to be restarted several times - it should be set as default, if not permanently, then for the time of setup. And after update (upgrade really) you'll want to check it.

    I think, setting upgraded system as default suits me. And also, one of the firs things to do for me is to run command prompt and change dual boot name of upgraded system entry in boot manager (add Insider a the end):

    Code:
    bcdedit /set {current} description "Windows 10 Insider"


    If I want to change default, it is couple of clicks away.

    And what do you mean, you can't find your files? I have the same folders set as Documents, Pictures, Music...(and all the others) and upgrade never touches that. All my files are in the same position in Insider, Fast, Slow and production system.

    Current system is always C: other Windows is D:... and F: partition is for my files. (No, I wasn't affected with files deletion on the last upgrade)
    I know how to use that, Andre, and do. I want my Production partition to be the default. That way, I can turn on the computer and it will boot to Production. However, if an Update comes for my Insider partition, it gets installed, and then Microsoft makes that partition the default partition. If I don't catch it (forget to check), the next time I boot and don't pay attention, I'm booted into the wrong partition. At that point, I have to shut down and start all over.
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  5. AndreTen's Avatar
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    Wynona said:
    I was going on the premise that files created are saved to the default folders, not to a Data Drive like I have set up. IOW, I'm on C:\ drive with Production . . . I create a file and it's saved in the Documents folder on said drive. Or, I'm on D:\ drive with Insider . . . I create a file and it's saved in the Documents folder on said drive.

    Very few home users will have any knowledge of installing an extra hard drive for holding their data. Especially if they have a laptop rather than a desktop.

    I didn't get affected by the file loss either.
    Wynona, I think Insiders that decide to dual boot should know how to manage that. But, what do I know... You can set Data partition on the same drive. Better that double that files under each Windows system.
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  6. AndreTen's Avatar
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    Wynona said:
    I know how to use that, Andre, and do. I want my Production partition to be the default. That way, I can turn on the computer and it will boot to Production. However, if an Update comes for my Insider partition, it gets installed, and then Microsoft makes that partition the default partition. If I don't catch it (forget to check), the next time I boot and don't pay attention, I'm booted into the wrong partition. At that point, I have to shut down and start all over.
    Well, I have a text file handy (on my desktop) so I can just copy some commands, that I perform after every build upgrade. Add that

    bcdedit /default {ID of your production partition}

    after changing the name. So you won't forget...
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  7. Wynona's Avatar
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    AndreTen said:
    Wynona, I think Insiders that decide to dual boot should know how to manage that. But, what do I know... You can set Data partition on the same drive. Better that double that files under each Windows system.
    I don't want my Data on the same drive my operating systems are on. Period! That's why I installed a 1 TB hard drive in my desktop to hold my Data.
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  8. Wynona's Avatar
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    AndreTen said:
    Well, I have a text file handy (on my desktop) so I can just copy some commands, that I perform after every build upgrade. Add that

    bcdedit /default {ID of your production partition}

    after changing the name. So you won't forget...
    Andre, I don't think you're understanding the point of my feedback; it's not that I don't know how to fix things when Microsoft ignores my settings and muddles things up.

    The point is that Microsoft should respect the fact that this is my computer and should have a hands off policy toward my settings.

    IOW, I want my Startup Settings to be exactly the same as they were once the Update is finished. If I set my default to Windows 10 Production, I want to see Windows 10 Production as the default. I don't want to be forced to change the default back to Windows 10 Production because Microsoft made Windows 10 Insider the default.
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  9. AndreTen's Avatar
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    Wynona said:
    Andre, I don't think you're understanding the point of my feedback; it's not that I don't know how to fix things when Microsoft ignores my settings and muddles things up.

    The point is that Microsoft should respect the fact that this is my computer and should have a hands off policy toward my settings.

    IOW, I want my Startup Settings to be exactly the same as they were once the Update is finished. If I set my default to Windows 10 Production, I want to see Windows 10 Production as the default. I don't want to be forced to change the default back to Windows 10 Production because Microsoft made Windows 10 Insider the default.
    I do understand your point Wynona (think so), just want to present you with another opinion. There is a lot of Insiders with dual booting several OS, and are used to the system MS has right now: upgrade, check system, set defaults back... Changing that would (could) make a mess with more of them (us) than those who will profit.

    But, what do I know... I could live with the option you're proposing too. Windows could ask you after upgrade too.
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  10. Wynona's Avatar
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    AndreTen said:
    I do understand your point Wynona (think so), just want to present you with another opinion. There is a lot of Insiders with dual booting several OS, and are used to the system MS has right now: upgrade, check system, set defaults back... Changing that would (could) make a mess with more of them (us) than those who will profit.

    But, what do I know... I could live with the option you're proposing too. Windows could ask you after upgrade too.
    Sorry, but I don't see how leaving my, your, their stuff the way it was set up could/would mess with anything. I mean, how could it possibly mess things up if it's done right to start with and nobody has to change things back to the way they had 'em in the first place?

    Right = Leave my settings alone, Microsoft!
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