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  1. Posts : 87
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       #71

    Eddie Doc said: View Post
    Don't you have an on/off switch at the wall socket? How long does the modem take to 'come back to life'? Seconds, minutes?
    There is no on/off switch. It takes several minutes for the modem to come fully back to life. The previous one from a different ISP did the same thing.
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  2. Eddie Doc's Avatar
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    vanp said: View Post
    There is no on/off switch. It takes several minutes for the modem to come fully back to life. The previous one from a different ISP did the same thing.
    I wouldn't mind waiting a few minutes, as long as it worked.
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  3. Posts : 87
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       #73

    I've made what turned out to be a preliminary decision 2 or 3 times. Hopefully, this is the final decision, although I will leave myself an opening, discussed below.

    Since there's no consensus, I may as well leave on--in some pause mode. I mentioned earlier I had neglected to consider Hybrid Sleep. I've now done that. Since Hybrid Sleep uses Sleep, which uses more power than Hibernate, I'm rejecting it. That leaves Hibernate, which is where I'm landing.

    f14tomcat mentioned 6-12 GB for the Hibernate file; I saw 3 on my system. Although I would love to save 3 GB, I won't give up Hibernate for it. Also, I have a HDD, not SSD. And I'm reasonably convinced that any pause mode is not hackable.

    My (hopefully) final concern is some sort of electrical problem. I'm guessing that such an event won't have any different an effect on a device that's turned on from one that's turned off. My stereo receiver and modem were destroyed last Nov. in a storm. Both were plugged into surge suppression devices. The receiver was off and the modem was on. Made no difference; they both died--took one for the team. And in all the reading I've done and the people I've talked to who leave their machine on, nobody ever said this had been a problem.

    So, again, I'm inviting comments. Any ideas?
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  4. Steve C's Avatar
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    vanp said: View Post
    I've made what turned out to be a preliminary decision 2 or 3 times. Hopefully, this is the final decision, although I will leave myself an opening, discussed below.

    Since there's no consensus, I may as well leave on--in some pause mode. I mentioned earlier I had neglected to consider Hybrid Sleep. I've now done that. Since Hybrid Sleep uses Sleep, which uses more power than Hibernate, I'm rejecting it. That leaves Hibernate, which is where I'm landing.

    f14tomcat mentioned 6-12 GB for the Hibernate file; I saw 3 on my system. Although I would love to save 3 GB, I won't give up Hibernate for it. Also, I have a HDD, not SSD. And I'm reasonably convinced that any pause mode is not hackable.

    My (hopefully) final concern is some sort of electrical problem. I'm guessing that such an event won't have any different an effect on a device that's turned on from one that's turned off. My stereo receiver and modem were destroyed last Nov. in a storm. Both were plugged into surge suppression devices. The receiver was off and the modem was on. Made no difference; they both died--took one for the team. And in all the reading I've done and the people I've talked to who leave their machine on, nobody ever said this had been a problem.

    So, again, I'm inviting comments. Any ideas?
    Just to confuse you again. Why not replace your wall socket with a better one having an on/off switch maybe with a double socket for separate control of the modem and router?

    You can then simply power off everything at the mains, save energy, be at not risk from hackers and sleep safely without your PC catching fire!
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    Steve C said: View Post
    Just to confuse you again. Why not replace your wall socket with a better one having an on/off switch maybe with a double socket for separate control of the modem and router?

    You can then simply power off everything at the mains, save energy, be at not risk from hackers and sleep safely without your PC catching fire!

    Hi there

    ???

    I know different countries have different laws but is it actually legal any more to have fixed (I.e not those extension leads etc) electrical sockets that can't be switched off ??? Surely could be a fire hazard especially in USA where because of the 110 Volt system current is twice the European level (220 V) and much more likely to be a fire hazard - you can't rely on just the main fuses to protect against overload etc either. !!!

    (Ohms law for the uninitiated - Power in Watts = I (current in Amps) X V(Volts) so half the volts double the current - hotter wire etc etc. Heat generated is highly dependent on the current in Amps -- ever seen a car battery shorted out - and that's only 12 V !!!!!!!

    I know when I was doing some house renovations the City wouldn't pass the plans until I'd altered some really old electrical sockets to modern switchable ones.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6. CountMike's Avatar
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    I have (somewhat) protected (over-voltage and over-current with automatic fuse) extension bar with switch and 6 spots to plug in everything connected to computer. That way I can switch everything off with one click. I do that for maintenance and when I leave home for longer time (couple of hours and +). Reason is only for (computer's) safety. In case of very bad weather with chance of lightning only unplugging it from wall socket can help.
    Otherwise my main computer is always on, no sleep, hibernate etc. and other desktop is turned on only when needed by me or my brother and that's only couple of times a week so turning it and associated equipment right off is a nobrainer.
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       #77

    @vanp The advantage of the Hybrid Sleep system is not one based on power saving but on convenience. If you set the settings to suit the way you work you can control usage quite well and cut costs .

    You set the Sleep point to kick in at a short time - eg, Five minutes, and the Hibernate to activate after Eg Thirty Minutes.

    In use if you leave your computer for normal day to day options - Take a phone call, Lunch, Etc you will be likely to come back to a system that is sleeping and is instantly back ready to use, as soon as you touch the mouse or keyboard. Ok so your Phone call results in you having to rush off to meet someone, or grab the one off deal that you've been waiting for .... In this case the fact that you forget the computer in your haste is irrelevant, as after 40 minutes the computer hibernates and protects your work too.

    Obviously these times are just examples and you can set them to any combination that suits your working practice.

    In offices I have set these to 3 minutes and 10 minutes, which can in a case where there could be tens or hundreds of PCs in use save a lot of cost without compromising the way the staff work, (it also improves efficiency as staff, who have no access to switch of the functions or set times, learn quickly that sitting at the desk daydreaming shows anyone in the area that they are not working )

    This also works, on a smaller scale, in the home environment, and for when the kids are on the computer doing their homework :)

    There is also the usage of hibernate for use with laptops - set the device to hibernate when the battery reaches the "Critical" power level and you will not lose you work if you forget to switch off
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       #78

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there

    ???

    I know different countries have different laws but is it actually legal any more to have fixed (I.e not those extension leads etc) electrical sockets that can't be switched off ??? Surely could be a fire hazard especially in USA where because of the 110 Volt system current is twice the European level (220 V) and much more likely to be a fire hazard - you can't rely on just the main fuses to protect against overload etc either. !!!

    (Ohms law for the uninitiated - Power in Watts = I (current in Amps) X V(Volts) so half the volts double the current - hotter wire etc etc. Heat generated is highly dependent on the current in Amps -- ever seen a car battery shorted out - and that's only 12 V !!!!!!!

    I know when I was doing some house renovations the City wouldn't pass the plans until I'd altered some really old electrical sockets to modern switchable ones.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    We can buy unswitched mains sockets in the UK for our 240V supply so they must be legal. All houses I've lived in have had switched sockets.
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  9. Posts : 87
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       #79

    I live in an apartment, not a house, so no electrical work will be done.

    Barman58, I'll consider the timing considerations you mentioned.

    I appreciate all the input. Thanks.
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