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  1.    03 Aug 2015 #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Not every motherboard is going to have an embedded key by the way. If you buy a motherboard by itself like that it won't. It's only if its sold in a system by an OEM like Dell or ASUS etc. They modify it adding the Windows Product code etc.
    Thanks, another thing I did not know. Perhaps I never saw an MSDM table (but I thought I did, heh) as I never bought an OEM computer (except my son's MacBook Pro retina) . Of course, when I went to do a clean install on my computer with 8.1, I would always supply the serial number (as I would write it down beforehand). I never knew about the start of the use of the hash code so I never tried skipping the serial number. Actually, I remember that on older installs, you needed to put in a serial number or it would just stop the install. Going from Windows For Workgroups 311 to Win10 has been a journey through MS's myriad product activation schemes.
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  2.    03 Aug 2015 #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Pombrio View Post
    Going from Windows For Workgroups 311 to Win10 has been a journey through MS's myriad product activation schemes.
    Remember TRSDOS boot discs for the TRS-80 (and cassette tapes if you couldn't afford the expansion interface)? That's how old I am :-}
    Last edited by NavyLCDR; 03 Aug 2015 at 15:46.
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  3.    03 Aug 2015 #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Pombrio View Post
    Thanks, another thing I did not know. Perhaps I never saw an MSDM table (but I thought I did, heh) as I never bought an OEM computer (except my son's MacBook Pro retina) . Of course, when I went to do a clean install on my computer with 8.1, I would always supply the serial number (as I would write it down beforehand). I never knew about the start of the use of the hash code so I never tried skipping the serial number. Actually, I remember that on older installs, you needed to put in a serial number or it would just stop the install. Going from Windows For Workgroups 311 to Win10 has been a journey through MS's myriad product activation schemes.
    Key prompt or no key prompt depends on what version of Windows your installing and the hardware your installing it on.
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  4.    09 Aug 2015 #84
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    I read that the update is valid for the machine you updated only. Once you changed the machine read hardware Windows 10 update stops being free. Therefore, the update is Bur for this machine only.
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  5.    09 Aug 2015 #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by paev View Post
    I read that the update is valid for the machine you updated only. Once you changed the machine read hardware Windows 10 update stops being free. Therefore, the update is Bur for this machine only.
    Upgrade from OEM and that would be correct. Upgrade from retail and you are free to transfer it to other computers - one computer at a time only.

    b. Stand-alone software. If you acquired the software as stand-alone software (and also if you upgraded from software you acquired as stand-alone software), you may transfer the software to another device that belongs to you.
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  6.    09 Aug 2015 #86
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    Just saw this thread is 5-day old (and completely wrong). Why are people bumping it?

    For anyone that might still be confused, all you need to do is simply upgrade from activated-win7/8/8/1 to 10 just once, and then whenever you clean-install win 10 (from the ISO) in the future, skip the serial-key screen and it'll auto-activate later.
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  7.    09 Aug 2015 #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Upgrade from OEM and that would be correct. Upgrade from retail and you are free to transfer it to other computers - one computer at a time only.
    I think you need to differentiate between a free upgrade and a paid upgrade.

    Windows - Microsoft

    They tell you this about the free upgrade: "Once you upgrade, you have Windows 10 for free on that device". So I am not so sure about your interpretation.
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  8.    09 Aug 2015 #88
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Upgrade from OEM and that would be correct. Upgrade from retail and you are free to transfer it to other computers - one computer at a time only.
    I understand what the EULA says -- but I fail to see how that can even be possible! I mean, HOW are you going to "transfer the software" from one Windows PC to another?

    You could make a backup image of PC #1 and "restore" that image to PC #2. But, after that, most likely, PC #2 won't boot because of driver differences. So, this method likely won't work.

    Or ... you could do a clean-install of PC #2 from a Win10 ISO -- but this would be to a PC that had never been activated through an Upgrade, so as we've all read now (probably hundreds of times!), this will not activate. So, this method likely won't work, either.

    If MS allowed us to activate Win10 using a product key, then we could use the second method and simply enter the product key -- but they don't allow that method.

    So basically, the statement in the EULA is, at this time, just BS -- because you can't actually do it.
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  9.    09 Aug 2015 #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Phelps View Post
    I understand what the EULA says -- but I fail to see how that can even be possible! I mean, HOW are you going to "transfer the software" from one Windows PC to another?

    You could make a backup image of PC #1 and "restore" that image to PC #2. But, after that, most likely, PC #2 won't boot because of driver differences. So, this method likely won't work.

    Or ... you could do a clean-install of PC #2 from a Win10 ISO -- but this would be to a PC that had never been activated through an Upgrade, so as we've all read now (probably hundreds of times!), this will not activate. So, this method likely won't work, either.

    If MS allowed us to activate Win10 using a product key, then we could use the second method and simply enter the product key -- but they don't allow that method.

    So basically, the statement in the EULA is, at this time, just BS -- because you can't actually do it.
    If you buy a full Retail Version it will come with a product code, and you could transfer that way. That's what I've been saying all alone, because the free upgrade uses a generic key, transferring it is near impossible. Even if it is a Retail version. This may be by design, thus the "life of the device." Buy a full retail version and you don't have that restriction. All of my PC's are upgraded to 10 Pro so I can't test moving 10, it's going to activate anyway. For me its just a theory at this point.
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  10.    09 Aug 2015 #90
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    Quote Originally Posted by pal View Post
    I think you need to differentiate between a free upgrade and a paid upgrade.

    Windows - Microsoft

    They tell you this about the free upgrade: "Once you upgrade, you have Windows 10 for free on that device". So I am not so sure about your interpretation.
    And during the free year, you move your previous OS to a new computer and activate it, as legally allowed with a retail license, and then upgrade it, as legally allowed.

    Now, with the generic key and hardware ID scheme, Microsoft has created a loophole that will allow users to have multiple illegal Windows 10 installations with permanent activations stored on their servers.
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