Windows 10: Win10 upgrade and a retail purchase of Win10 Pro- not the same. Solved

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  1.    01 Aug 2015 #41

    hawkman said: View Post
    Another spanner in the works?
    ONLY REGARDING a clean install, previous OS wiped system.

    I was wondering about the old 30 day trial activation period, is it included on W10??, but not showing anywhere,
    will find out in a month.
    I dont know where its equivelent was in the TP versions, but it was
    Roy
    Each of the preview builds has an expiry date. They are listed in one of the sticky threads. Upgrading to each new insider build extends the expiry date. It you stay in the insiders program and keep updating to each new build your good until Microsoft kills the insider program. if your running an insider build and opt out, stop receiving future builds, activation will time out when it reaches the expiry date for that build.
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  2.    01 Aug 2015 #42

    Tonyb said: View Post
    yes it is a full active version of his copy that he loaded on his pc, also to reply why would you go buy win 10 when all you have to do is d-load with the media creation tool make a cd and keep it handy for your next install and if you have a valid win 8.1 pro or 7 it will install on that pc.
    I believe that the free upgrade copy will not activate in a new installation once the year is up. Installations activated before then are supposed to be re-installable indefinitely, on the same hardware.
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  3.    01 Aug 2015 #43

    Delete every post on this thread except jimbo45s and it will make sense.
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  4.    01 Aug 2015 #44

    So i have confirmed and went back and re asked my friend he did a clean install after he upgraded initially first, i had it wrong the first time so sorry for that.
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  5.    02 Aug 2015 #45

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    That second key won't be there on a clean install. showkey will detect windows 8.x OEM embedded keys and the key used by the preceding OS, if there is a preceding OS. Windows 10 has no way to detect that preceding key on clean install, there is no windows registry to read it from. The hardware ID is what's used for activation.
    Hi there

    There was NO EMBEDDED key -- this PC does NOT have protected BIOS although it can do UEFI - but that was also switched off.

    This was a totally ckean install on a MBR formatted disk. In fact if you try and boot from the EFI menu in the BIOS nothing happens as I haven't installed the UEFI version.

    I'll try another update on a really OLD desktop and see what it comes out with.

    It should be interesting to see if the product key changes as I'll be using the same W8.1 serial number that I used on the laptop

    (TechNet multiple activations so it should work to get an activated copy of W10 then to do another clean install).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6.    02 Aug 2015 #46

    teachermark said: View Post
    Delete every post on this thread except jimbo45s and it will make sense.
    Hi there

    Thanks

    A lot of people assume stuff and post --I usually try and test stuff out - and where possible If I haven't yet tried something I say I THINK it will work and will test later !!.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7.    02 Aug 2015 #47

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there

    There was NO EMBEDDED key -- this PC does NOT have protected BIOS although it can do UEFI - but that was also switched off.

    This was a totally ckean install on a MBR formatted disk. In fact if you try and boot from the EFI menu in the BIOS nothing happens as I haven't installed the UEFI version.

    I'll try another update on a really OLD desktop and see what it comes out with.

    It should be interesting to see if the product key changes as I'll be using the same W8.1 serial number that I used on the laptop

    (TechNet multiple activations so it should work to get an activated copy of W10 then to do another clean install).

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I didn't say it was an embedded key, just that showkey will show it, if one's there. If you now do a clean install of Windows 10 on that same PC, showkey will only show you the Windows 10 key. That's all that's there to be detected. Might even be a different key to, if you don't enter any key during the install. Which is what Gabe tweeted you can do.
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  8.    02 Aug 2015 #48

    Using Read Write Everything, I no longer have an MSDM table in my UEFI BIOS which is where the old Win8.1 SN was located. I have to assume that ANY Win10 activations that come from a clean install on my computer after doing an upgrade will be coming only from my MS account.
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  9.    02 Aug 2015 #49

    John Pombrio said: View Post
    Using Read Write Everything, I no longer have an MSDM table in my UEFI BIOS which is where the old Win8.1 SN was located. I have to assume that ANY Win10 activations that come from a clean install on my computer after doing an upgrade will be coming only from my MS account.
    You probably don't even need to sign in. The hardware id of your computer has been logged into the activation server, so it recognizes you. I don't use such an account, and I'm activated.
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  10.    02 Aug 2015 #50

    Same here, I don't use a microsoft account. I upgraded then checked it was activated properly, then installed from scratch using the bootable distribution made with windows 10 media creation tool, skipping the enter your license prompts, and my clean install activated itself automatically, no problem.
    Just checked with RWeverything and my original license is still in uefi/bios (under the MSDM tab in ACPI Table).
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