Windows 10: Win10 upgrade and a retail purchase of Win10 Pro- not the same. Solved

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  1.    09 Aug 2015 #121

    Mystere said: View Post
    Dude. "Transfer" refers to the license. The right to run the software. Not the physical copy of the OS itself. Microsoft does not make any guarantee that you can transfer the physical bits to another machine, only that the *LICENSE* can be transferred to the new machine.

    You really don't understand licensing, being an MVP? What are you an MVP of exactly?
    Your not transferring the Windows 10 License, your transferring the windows 7/8 license, then doing a second upgrade. Not the same thing. The second upgrade is new license on new hardware. A second license your not entitled too. IMHO
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  2.    09 Aug 2015 #122

    Do you really think, that one windows 7 or 8.1 product code/ license entitles you to multiple free Windows 10 licenses?
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  3.    09 Aug 2015 #123

    Explain to me how a new activation, on new hardware, is moving the license for the old hardware when you continue using the original Windows 10 install?
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  4.    09 Aug 2015 #124

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    Your not transferring the Windows 10 License, your transferring the windows 7/8 license, then doing a second upgrade. Not the same thing. The second upgrade is new license on new hardware. A second license your not entitled too. IMHO
    There are two aspects that you are confusing. The first is the process of upgrading your license. A license is a right to use and/or copy the software. Regardless of what hardware it is, you only have a single license. That license gets upgraded to allow you to run Windows 10 in addition to Windows 7 or 8.x (depending on your original license). In other words, the Windows 10 license is an addendum to the original license, which supersedes it you are installing Windows 10.

    The second aspect is the physical act of upgrading the OS to Windows 10. When you upgrade Windows 10 *THE FIRST TIME* it upgrades your license. If it's a retail license, you now have a retail Windows 10 upgrade, which according to the EULA gives you the right to transfer the software to another computer. You do this transfer by upgrading the instance of Windows 7 or 8.x that you first transfer to the second computer.

    The upgrade of the license is not the same as the upgrading of the OS. Otherwise, you wouldn't even be able to perform the upgrade a second time on the same machine (which you can, and nothing stops you from doing it if you wanted to.). The act of upgrading the OS does not create a second license upgrade. The license has already been upgraded.

    I don't know why you keep saying things about "multiple free windows 10 licenses". Microsoft is not giving you a free windows 10 license. They're giving you a free Windows 10 UPGRADE license, which is not valid without a valid qualifying OS to upgrade from.

    This is not rocket science, and I really don't understand why you can't grasp it.
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  5.    09 Aug 2015 #125

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    Explain to me how a new activation, on new hardware, is moving the license for the old hardware when you continue using the original Windows 10 install?
    Who said anything about that? We're talking about *TRANSFERRING* the license, not using more than one copy at the same time.
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  6.    09 Aug 2015 #126

    Mystere said: View Post
    There are two aspects that you are confusing. The first is the process of upgrading your license. A license is a right to use and/or copy the software. Regardless of what hardware it is, you only have a single license. That license gets upgraded to allow you to run Windows 10 in addition to Windows 7 or 8.x (depending on your original license). In other words, the Windows 10 license is an addendum to the original license, which supersedes it you are installing Windows 10.

    The second aspect is the physical act of upgrading the OS to Windows 10. When you upgrade Windows 10 *THE FIRST TIME* it upgrades your license. If it's a retail license, you now have a retail Windows 10 upgrade, which according to the EULA gives you the right to transfer the software to another computer. You do this transfer by upgrading the instance of Windows 7 or 8.x that you first transfer to the second computer.

    The upgrade of the license is not the same as the upgrading of the OS. Otherwise, you wouldn't even be able to perform the upgrade a second time on the same machine (which you can, and nothing stops you from doing it if you wanted to.). The act of upgrading the OS does not create a second license upgrade. The license has already been upgraded.

    I don't know why you keep saying things about "multiple free windows 10 licenses". Microsoft is not giving you a free windows 10 license. They're giving you a free Windows 10 UPGRADE license, which is not valid without a valid qualifying OS to upgrade from.

    This is not rocket science, and I really don't understand why you can't grasp it.
    Why do you do it by upgrading the instance of Windows 7/8.1? Why not just clean install Windows 10? Windows 10 is what your transferring right? In post 101 you state " nothing stops you from installing that retail Windows 7/8.1 on endless machines" Doesn't sound like transferring to me? Suggests multiple installs with the same key? kind of sounds like your condoning it to me? Same thing in post 105, no mention of removing the previous install? just a "Microsoft has *ALWAYS* been very lenient when it comes to activations" comment. That's why I mention multiple installs. You brought it up originally, not me?
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  7.    09 Aug 2015 #127

    Mystere said: View Post
    Who said anything about that? We're talking about *TRANSFERRING* the license, not using more than one copy at the same time.
    Post 108?
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  8.    09 Aug 2015 #128

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    Why do you do it by upgrading the instance of Windows 7/8.1? Why not just clean install Windows 10? Windows 10 is what your transferring right? In post 101 you state " nothing stops you from installing that retail Windows 7/8.1 on endless machines" Doesn't sound like transferring to me? Suggests multiple installs with the same key? kind of sounds like your condoning it to me? Same thing in post 105, no mention of removing the previous install? just a "Microsoft has *ALWAYS* been very lenient when it comes to activations" comment. That's why I mention multiple installs. You brought it up originally, not me?
    No, i'm not condoning it, or advocating it. I was saying that because YOU were claiming you couldn't transfer the old OS to another computer, and claiming it wouldn't activate. I was saying that it would activate. You keep moving the goalposts and changing the argument, so this is my last post to you on this. You did bring it up, because YOU were the one that started talking about multiple machines, and claiming that Microsoft would not allow it because they would somehow stop you from installing it on multiple machines.

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    Post 108?
    Post 108 is talking about transferring, not installing it simultaneously.

    You were saying you didn't understand how transferring would work, and I and He both explained it in very minute detail. He didn't mention removing it from the old machine, but that was implied.
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  9.    09 Aug 2015 #129

    Yes but your definition of transferring and mine and different. Your doing repeated upgrades, not transfers. Is it not a new license on new hardware when completed? You can call it a transfer but I don't. Just a work around to get a free upgrade in my books. Assuming you don't wipe the first install. If you do wipe the first install, yes I agree it will work. point taken.
    Post 108 talks about repeated upgrade installs using the same Windows 7/8.1 license. I see no mention of transferring. I do believe he's the one who mentioned the loop hole that started all this debate.

    EDIT: In regards to post 108, your assuming it was implied, I'm not.
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  10.    09 Aug 2015 #130

    Seeing as this isn't getting anywhere, I'll just say this. Just because you can do something, and get away with it, doesn't make it ethically or morally correct. Also, just because I'm a Microsoft MVP, doesn't mean I know everything about everything Microsoft. Just doesn't happen, even if you work for Microsoft, which I don't. I don't claim to know everything, never did never will. And I'm always willing to learn. Provided I get the right teacher.
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