Windows 10: Fingers crossed for 1803

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  1.    31 May 2018 #61

    I stopped updating W7 the moment I switched to W8 and kept it only in dual boot and some games to unload space and resources of main OS. It worked until this newest processor and than it didn't. Nothing to long about it. W7 I had to clean install every year while W10 is still here since W8.1 ans that one was upgraded from W7.
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  2.    31 May 2018 #62

    Berton said: View Post
    Ditto. I work on other people's computers and since most times I won't know in advance EXACTLY which Version of Windows is involved I have to "keep up with the times". But, having rehabbed a number of computers to be used, both Desktops and Notebooks, I don't have the level of fear about the Upgrades and ensuing updates as others may have.
    I'm looking at it from the eyes of a novice computer user. Why should they have to fear that the next forced update is going to cause their computer to not work. They don't have the skill or knowledge to fix their computer. Not everyone has a friend or family member that is going to fix the computer for free. Most people depend on their computer and don't want to become the main source of income for the nearest repair shop. Especially for something as stupid as a forced update.
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       31 May 2018 #63

    DeaconFrost said: View Post
    ...with a previous, unused, retail license key from 7,8, or 8.1...
    Had me going** for your license. I think you confess that you (or your wife) had paid for a Win license which is used to activate Win10. Or not...(pira)?

    DeaconFrost said: View Post
    ...Because if you ask for Windows 10 to be removed...
    You're a little bit tricky, aren't you? You never ask to remove Windows, it's stupid. You just buy a PC, with no OS which is cheaper and there's no need for crying out loud.

    **At least I've learned what "had me going" means TNX!
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       31 May 2018 #64

    The last time I purchased a copy of Windows it was priced somewhere between what OEMs bought and were allowed to install under their license agreement with Microsoft and the Retail or Upgrade version. It was called the System Builder version, somewhat cheaper than the Retail or Upgrade version. Used to be one installing the Upgrade version had to have a version of Windows already running or at least have the CD for installing the previous version from the Upgrade.
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  5.    01 Jun 2018 #65

    They call it OEM now for everyone, and you can buy it at outlets like Newegg for around US$143. This compares to the full retail version for US$200 or thereabouts. Right now Newegg has a $15 off deal on the full retail version, so it's going for $185.

    The difference between OEM and full retail is that the OEM license gets tied to the hardware on which it is initially installed, and can't be moved to another system after that (though you can work your way through hardware upgrades on the initial system to some extent). The full retail version can be moved from system to system as you see fit.

    I mention Newegg's pricing purely for example, reflecting my tendency to buy from them when it makes sense to do so. Full disclosure: I've worked as an expert witness for Newegg on several patent suits, including two that went to trial. They're great people.
    --Ed--
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  6.    01 Jun 2018 #66

    werby said: View Post
    You're a little bit tricky, aren't you? You never ask to remove Windows, it's stupid. You just buy a PC, with no OS which is cheaper and there's no need for crying out loud.
    Microsoft allowed and even encouraged anyone with a legitimate license for 7, 8, or 8.1 to use it to upgrade their computers to 10. That was supposed to be for a year only, but the process is still active. I've had a pile of legitimate retail licenses for older versions of Windows that would have gone unused without this free upgrade. The each key is only used for one computer, so there's nothing illegal or pirated about these systems. I also don't sell or resell them.

    As for asking for the computers without Windows, it's for some of our developers. If Windows truly had a unique cost associated with the license, you'd be able to remove it and save a few bucks. If, and I mean if, you can get your Dell rep to sell you laptops with no OS, the cost doesn't change. That's my logic for saying there is no cost for the license. I'd love it if there was an easier option to purchase no-OS systems.

    FYI, the "crying out loud" comments were meant for someone else.
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  7.    01 Jun 2018 #67

    DeaconFrost said: View Post
    Microsoft allowed and even encouraged anyone with a legitimate license for 7, 8, or 8.1 to use it to upgrade their computers to 10. That was supposed to be for a year only, but the process is still active. I've had a pile of legitimate retail licenses for older versions of Windows that would have gone unused without this free upgrade. The each key is only used for one computer, so there's nothing illegal or pirated about these systems. I also don't sell or resell them.

    As for asking for the computers without Windows, it's for some of our developers. If Windows truly had a unique cost associated with the license, you'd be able to remove it and save a few bucks. If, and I mean if, you can get your Dell rep to sell you laptops with no OS, the cost doesn't change. That's my logic for saying there is no cost for the license. I'd love it if there was an easier option to purchase no-OS systems.

    FYI, the "crying out loud" comments were meant for someone else.
    Not only encouraged but downright bullied people to upgrade to W10. I'm surprised the outcry is forgotten.
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  8.    01 Jun 2018 #68

    If Windows 10 was truly free one would not need a qualifying OS or need to purchase a product key. One would just need a Windows 10 ISO to install from.
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       01 Jun 2018 #69

    Winuser said: View Post
    I'm looking at it from the eyes of a novice computer user. Why should they have to fear that the next forced update is going to cause their computer to not work. They don't have the skill or knowledge to fix their computer. Not everyone has a friend or family member that is going to fix the computer for free. Most people depend on their computer and don't want to become the main source of income for the nearest repair shop. Especially for something as stupid as a forced update.
    Agreed.
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  10. Posts : 136
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       01 Jun 2018 #70

    DeaconFrost said: View Post
    Did you spend any money for Windows 10? I didn't...
    ...because
    DeaconFrost said: View Post
    ...I've had a pile of legitimate retail licenses for older versions of Windows...
    If you'd stated this on your 1st post, we wouldn't talk about self-explanatory things.
    I also know many people who didn't pay for Win, either because of piracy or buying a PC. It doesn't matter if Win cost is included or not.
    So, if we agree that a simple user cannot get legit Windows for free, returning to OP's complains, I should have to recall my previous statement:

    "We have a company that "forces" its clients not only to update/upgrade but also to "work" for company, asking for their money!!!"
    ...and this is not a Sci-Fi movie.
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