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  1. Posts : 447
    Ubuntu 18.04, win 8.1 pro
       30 May 2018 #41

    DeaconFrost said: View Post
    ... Linux is in a constant state of beta...
    Not true at all, unless you choose to constantly recompile your own kernel;
    there are plenty of option to use "Linux" as totally stable and controlled system.

    on the fact that it's easy to debug windows... well maybe if you work in a team with
    several co workers, it seems to me that linux is much more simple

    all the best!
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  2.    30 May 2018 #42

    DeaconFrost said: View Post
    Did you spend any money for Windows 10?
    Yes, I did. And you?

    DeaconFrost said: View Post
    Compare the variations of hardware and software configurations in the Windows world to what Apple has to account for.
    This is ecactly the reason why new Windows version upgrade MUST NOT change device drivers... but it does it.

    DeaconFrost said: View Post
    Are the issues frustrating? Sure. But they are much easier to resolve in the Windows arena than your other options.
    Simple solution: Paid Windows 10 Home/Pro LTSB license, respect to customers. 95% of users need stable system, not that cool new unusable metro features in unpredictable parody of OS.
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  3.    30 May 2018 #43

    roy111 said: View Post
    Not true at all, unless you choose to constantly recompile your own kernel;
    So it never gets any updates? Our Ubuntu systems have far more updates available than our Windows 10 systems. One could make the case that all OSes are beta, and stay that way.
    roy111 said: View Post
    on the fact that it's easy to debug windows... well maybe if you work in a team with
    I'm not going to derail the thread, but Windows is far easier to use and troubleshoot. It wouldn't have the large market share if it wasn't. Simple tasks in Linux are far more complicated. You are making the mistake of assuming that YOU find Linux easier that it is. It isn't. Join a domain or install graphics drivers, then compare that to a Windows system. I like and use Ubuntu. I'm not bashing it, but it is no where near as user-friendly as Windows.
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  4.    30 May 2018 #44

    muchomurka said: View Post
    Yes, I did. And you?
    No. I normally don't pay for things that are free. Only my wife would be interested in something like that.
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    Ubuntu 18.04, win 8.1 pro
       30 May 2018 #45

    muchomurka said: View Post
    respect to customers...
    cloudy the future is
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  6.    30 May 2018 #46

    DeaconFrost said: View Post
    No. I normally don't pay for things that are free. Only my wife would be interested in something like that.
    Win 10 has never been free for new computers...

    DeaconFrost said: View Post
    The thing that gets me, as someone who supports all OSes in the corporate setting, what Microsoft is doing with Windows is very much the same that Apple is doing with OSX and the Linux community has been doing for years.
    You did never work in real corporate sphere, didn't you? Your vision that corporate IT environment relies on community effort is simply ridiculous. For example, bank supervision authority requires using of unix/linux/OS400 systems with paid and guaranteed support in all banks...

    That's all from me.
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  7. Posts : 447
    Ubuntu 18.04, win 8.1 pro
       30 May 2018 #47

    DeaconFrost said: View Post
    So it never gets any updates? Our Ubuntu systems have far more updates available than our Windows 10 systems. One could make the case that all OSes are beta, and stay that way.

    I'm not going to derail the thread, but Windows is far easier to use and troubleshoot. It wouldn't have the large market share if it wasn't. Simple tasks in Linux are far more complicated. You are making the mistake of assuming that YOU find Linux easier that it is. It isn't. Join a domain or install graphics drivers, then compare that to a Windows system. I like and use Ubuntu. I'm not bashing it, but it is no where near as user-friendly as Windows.
    I don't know if you truly miss the difference on how you can handle updates and upgrades in say Ubuntu or Debian and in windows 10 (which I use and enjoy BTW), not even comparable that is a simple and true fact.

    On the domain, policy etc. I totally agree with you, windows is corporate/enterprise friendly OS and
    I find "Linux" more user oriented/friendly, there is indeed one "Debian 9" not a debian for whom can pay more and another for whom can pay less.
    Driver are really a issue if your card is not supported, if it is no problems an very easy.
    In the end windows is really more familiar and probably easy for the average user I agree.
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    Win10 Home and Pro, Win10 Insider Preview, WinXP Home Premium, Linux Mint
       30 May 2018 #48

    , with the USB cable disconnected from any computer,

    Win 10 has never been free for new computers...
    True, BUT that cost is built into the total cost of a Retail computer. A Custom computer has to get it separately and usually at a higher cost.

    Driver are really a issue if your card is not supported, if it is no problems an very easy
    True. But that's why I get the LiveDVD .iso of whatever I want to explore, if desired can install to a hard drive while booted to that disc. Just a couple days ago I downloaded Ubuntu 18.04 LiveDVD and burned the disc then booted to it. It's good but if hard-pressed I'll stay with my installed Linux Mint 18.3 on a Desktop and a Notebook. I was surprised that Ubuntu picked up my Networked HP OfficeJet 8600, apparently has built in drivers as it didn't download them [can't save to the DVD].
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  9.    31 May 2018 #49

    muchomurka said: View Post
    Win 10 has never been free for new computers....
    So you insult my experience without knowing anything about it, yet make a stupid comment like this? Please.

    Windows 10 has never NOT been free with a new computer. It's either included in the cost of the computer, or for ones that are self-built, you can use a license key from a previous version of Windows. Still works today.
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    Windows 10x64 Home Version 1803 (Build 17134) 345
       31 May 2018 #50

    CountMike said: View Post
    OK. I'm pleased to distinguish them. Darn, this is getting ridiculous, I'm out. You guys know everything and I'm stupid. Satisfied ??
    You are far from being stupid. some people just don't want to listen or get with the flow. I myself look forward to all upgrades and updates.
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