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  1. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 79
    Windows 10 Pro 64bit
       31 Jul 2015 #1

    Windows 10 Upgrade was bad ! Clean install was great!


    I know that microsoft had no choice. Not every person out there can do a clean install. Too complicated setting up all.
    But from my experience the upgrade from 8.1 was a disaster. Many errors in event viewer, Slow system and slow boot time, failed windows updates ...etc

    Tonight I did a clean install after my update and all went smooth. Windows was activated when I got to desktop and surprisingly windows update did it's job correctly this time. No failed updates at all. The system is now fast and I find windows 10 to be a great upgrade to 8.1

    I was thinking that it would be too early to go for a clean install as maybe I should wait for all hardware vendors to get their drivers ready. But to my surprise all drivers were already installed with windows.

    So if you have a nice new computer my advice would be to do a clean install and not stick with the upgrade!
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  2. Joined : Mar 2015
    Posts : 616
    Windows 10
       31 Jul 2015 #2

    A clean install is always going to be better than an upgrade. If you haven't already be sure to check your PC/motherboard manufacturer's website and download any upgraded drivers (e.g. chipset driver).
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  3.    31 Jul 2015 #3

    Same here
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  4. Joined : Oct 2014
    Manchester CT
    Posts : 272
    Windows 10 Fast Ring
       31 Jul 2015 #4

    Here is the rub. The product key needed for a clean install is stored on the motherboard. With Win8.1 and most newer mobos, this is not a problem and a clean install will activate. It gets more complicated with Win7 and/or older hardware and a clean install may not activate on its own. See the forum post here before taking the plunge:

    Solved Clean install not activated despite upgrading first. - Windows 10 Forums

    Here is the story about the move to BIOS based product keys back in 2012:
    Windows 8 moves to BIOS-based product keys - CNET
    Last edited by John Pombrio; 31 Jul 2015 at 23:20.
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  5. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 166
    Windows 10 x64
       01 Aug 2015 #5

    Yes, a clean install will be great I assume. I am going to do that hereafter.

    When changing to a new version I usually do a clean install on a formatted drive.
    Way, way back, Windows NT-time, I learned a so-called 'upgrade' usually ends up with errors and software not working properly.
    Except for buying off the shelf, MS did not offer any other option but do an upgrade.
    The Windows 10-upgrade is working now and activated, but I guess, same as in the old days, it is much better to do a clean install as the eventlog simply shows too many errors.

    Errors like:

    Counter 18 of instance ({CD376BD3-9F6B-48C0-840E-1816B7A50FDC}, Standaard, 0) could not be modified. Error: "87"

    The Open Procedure for service "WmiApRpl" in DLL "C:\WINDOWS\system32\wbem\wmiaprpl.dll" failed. Performance data for this service will not be available. The first four bytes (DWORD) of the Data section contains the error code.

    Windows cannot load the extensible counter DLL rdyboost. The first four bytes (DWORD) of the Data section contains the Windows error code.

    Unable to open the Server service performance object. The first four bytes (DWORD) of the Data section contains the status code.

    The Open Procedure for service "MSDTC" in DLL "C:\WINDOWS\system32\msdtcuiu.DLL" failed. Performance data for this service will not be available. The first four bytes (DWORD) of the Data section contains the error code.

    The Open Procedure for service "Lsa" in DLL "C:\Windows\System32\Secur32.dll" failed. Performance data for this service will not be available. The first four bytes (DWORD) of the Data section contains the error code.

    The Open Procedure for service "ESENT" in DLL "C:\WINDOWS\system32\esentprf.dll" failed. Performance data for this service will not be available. The first four bytes (DWORD) of the Data section contains the error code.

    The Open Procedure for service "BITS" in DLL "C:\Windows\System32\bitsperf.dll" failed. Performance data for this service will not be available. The first four bytes (DWORD) of the Data section contains the error code.

    Disabled performance counter data collection for this session from the "ASP.NET_64_2.0.50727" service because the performance counter library for that service has generated one or more errors. The errors that forced this action have been written to the application event log.

    Windows cannot open the 64-bit extensible counter DLL ASP.NET_64_2.0.50727 in a 32-bit environment. Contact the file vendor to obtain a 32-bit version. Alternatively if you are running a 64-bit native environment, you can open the 64-bit extensible counter DLL by using the 64-bit version of Performance Monitor. To use this tool, open the Windows folder, open the System32 folder, and then start Perfmon.exe.

    Name resolution for the name win10.ipv6.microsoft.com. timed out after none of the configured DNS servers responded.

    The Host synchroniseren_Session2 service terminated unexpectedly. It has done this 1 time(s). The following corrective action will be taken in 10000 milliseconds: Service opnieuw starten.

    Session "ReadyBoot" stopped due to the following error: 3221225864

    The NLS operation failed because the registry key Control Panel\International\User Profile cannot be opened. Error code is 2. Error message: Het systeem kan het opgegeven bestand niet vinden.

    (some parts of the eventlog are the Dutch language, because the 'base' version of Windows is Dutch, but I installed the English language pack, tfore not all is translated.)

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  6. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 166
    Windows 10 x64
       01 Aug 2015 #6

    [QUOTE=rezpower;306381

    Tonight I did a clean install after my update and all went smooth. Windows was activated when I got to desktop and surprisingly windows update did it's job correctly this time. No failed updates at all. The system is now fast and I find windows 10 to be a great upgrade to 8.1
    [/QUOTE]

    Rightfully so.. However, I feel that Microsoft should have given users a chance to do a clean install rightaway, based on the license code users have.
    I, myself, have a few licenses (2x 7, 8.0 and 8.1). The 8/8.1 licenses are used to run windows 8 vm's. but both my pc's have 7.
    How am I to proceed to get the 8.0 and 8.1 keys valid for Windows 10.

    a) make an image of Windows 10 after a clean install
    b) install windows 8.0 (not as a vm), do an upgrade so the key is valid for W10
    c) install windows 8.1 same as b.
    d) restore the Windows 10 image

    They should have allowed to install Windows 10 whilst using the 7/8/8.1 key, simple, without mandatory upgrade.

    In the end, it is all the same (keys are valid for 10), but Microsoft is forcing users to do a lot work first..
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  7. Joined : Oct 2014
    Manchester CT
    Posts : 272
    Windows 10 Fast Ring
       01 Aug 2015 #7

    tfwul said: View Post
    Rightfully so.. However, I feel that Microsoft should have given users a chance to do a clean install rightaway, based on the license code users have.
    I, myself, have a few licenses (2x 7, 8.0 and 8.1). The 8/8.1 licenses are used to run windows 8 vm's. but both my pc's have 7.
    How am I to proceed to get the 8.0 and 8.1 keys valid for Windows 10.

    a) make an image of Windows 10 after a clean install
    b) install windows 8.0 (not as a vm), do an upgrade so the key is valid for W10
    c) install windows 8.1 same as b.
    d) restore the Windows 10 image

    They should have allowed to install Windows 10 whilst using the 7/8/8.1 key, simple, without mandatory upgrade.

    In the end, it is all the same (keys are valid for 10), but Microsoft is forcing users to do a lot work first..
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    Once again, everyone assumes that MS is giving away free copies of Retail Windows 10. That is simply mot the case. MS is letting Win8.1 users patch their Win8.1 computer to make it run a a copy of Win10 with very limited rights. If you want all that you are asking for, you need to BUY a copy of the full retail Win10 Pro product. Don't confuse the two, they are completely different in what you can do with them.
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  8. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 191
    Win 10 Home Build 1607 64bit
       01 Aug 2015 #8

    John Pombrio said: View Post
    Once again, everyone ASSUMES that MS IS GIVING AWAY FREE COPIES OF RETAIL WINDOWS 10. That is simply NOT the case. MS is letting Win8.1 users patch their Win8.1 computer to make it run a a copy of Win10 with very limited rights. If you want all that you are asking for, you need to BUY a copy of the full retail Win10 Pro product. Don't confuse the two, they are completely different in what you can do with them.
    Do you find it necessary to use all caps ?

    Your defense of MS in this post and others is tiresome. The OP's point is that it is more effective to do a clean install rather than an upgrade for a smoother transition.

    MS is providing free upgrade for 1 year to promote their product. It is not a "patch" with "limited rights."
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  9.    01 Aug 2015 #9

    John Pombrio said: View Post
    Once again, everyone ASSUMES that MS IS GIVING AWAY FREE COPIES OF RETAIL WINDOWS 10. That is simply NOT the case. MS is letting Win8.1 users patch their Win8.1 computer to make it run a a copy of Win10 with very limited rights. If you want all that you are asking for, you need to BUY a copy of the full retail Win10 Pro product. Don't confuse the two, they are completely different in what you can do with them.
    It is not a patch worth limited rights rights all. Know your facts before you spread false information. Thanks.
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  10. Joined : Oct 2014
    Manchester CT
    Posts : 272
    Windows 10 Fast Ring
       01 Aug 2015 #10

    torre said: View Post
    Do you find it necessary to use all caps ?
    I certainly did get carried away here with caps. I got rid of them. Thanks.
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