Windows 10: Is the free upgarde transferable? I think not.

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  1.    31 Jul 2015 #11

    I've swapped hard drives, video cards, etc in the past and had no issues. I've even swapped similar, but not identical motherboards, ASUS M2N64 for a M4N64 and activation was OK. As always though YMMV. IMHO, a hard drive swap is no big deal. It's one of the most common hardware swaps done. They wear out faster than most other component's.
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  2. Posts : 639
    Windows 10 1703 Pro 64
       31 Jul 2015 #12

    Interesting quote from Microsoft License Terms that came with W10 upgrade.

    4. Transfer. The provisions of this section do not apply if you acquired the software as a consumer in Germany or in any of the countries listed on this site (aka.ms/transfer), in which case any transfer of the software to a third party, and the right to use it, must comply with applicable law.
    a. Software preinstalled on device. If you acquired the software preinstalled on a device (and also if you upgraded from software preinstalled on a device), you may transfer the license to use the software directly to another user, only with the licensed device. The transfer must include the software and, if provided with the device, an authentic Windows label including the product key. Before any permitted transfer, the other party must agree that this agreement applies to the transfer and use of the software.
    b. Stand-alone software. If you acquired the software as stand-alone software (and also if you upgraded from software you acquired as stand-alone software), you may transfer the software to another device that belongs to you. You may also transfer the software to a device owned by someone else if (i) you are the first licensed user of the software and (ii) the new user agrees to the terms of this agreement. You may use the backup copy we allow you to make or the media that the software came on to transfer the software. Every time you transfer the software to a new device, you must remove the software from the prior device. You may not transfer the software to share licenses between devices.
    It seems if you upgraded a Retail (Stand-alone) version then you can transfer it to new hardware. It may take a call to MS but don't know.

    Jim
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  3.    31 Jul 2015 #13

    Kari said: View Post
    This scenario worked for me:
    • Retail Windows 8.1 Pro, activated and valid.
    • Upgraded to Windows 10 Pro yesterday, Windows 10 was automatically activated
    • Generalized the Windows 10 (sysprep /generalize /shutdown) to remove all hardware related information and make Windows hardware independent and transferable
    • Booted the machine with Macrium boot disk, created a system image containing all drives
    • Booted another computer with Macrium boot disk, restored the above mentioned image
    • Booted the new computer, entered the generic key in OOBE phase
    • Windows set it up normally, when finally on desktop it was activated

    Short version: I had no issues in transferring Windows 10 to another hardware using the generic key.
    So what happens if you clean install Windows 10 on the original hardware now, after you moved it to new hardware?
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  4.    31 Jul 2015 #14

    Phone Man said: View Post
    Interesting quote from Microsoft License Terms that came with W10 upgrade.



    It seems if you upgraded a Retail (Stand-alone) version then you can transfer it to new hardware. It may take a call to MS but don't know.

    Jim
    I'm not a lawyer so some of that is over my head. I'm not saying your wrong, just that I don't fully understand what is said in what you posted.
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  5. Posts : 11,204
    Windows 10 Pro
       31 Jul 2015 #15

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    So what happens if you clean install Windows 10 on the original hardware now, after you moved it to new hardware?
    After I had finished the transfer, I signed in to new hardware (the transferred 10) using an MS / Insider account and used the Media Creation Tool to create a USB install media for clean install. Clean installed Windows 10 using this install media on original hardware with the generic key, first wiping the hard disks.

    Am using that Windows 10 now, clean installed and activated on the original hardware.

    Two more tests I made:
    • Using the ISO created with Media Creation tool from Microsoft, clean installed Windows 10 Pro to a Hyper-V virtual machine. Windows was automatically activated
    • Generalized that Hyper-VM Windows setup
    • Captured the image
    • Restored this image on an old HP laptop
    • Booted the HP laptop, gave the generic key in OOBE
    • Windows was setup correctly and automatically activated

    -- AND --
    • Using Disk2VHD, created a VHD of this HP laptop's activated Windows setup
    • Created a new Hyper-V virtual machine using the existing VHD option
    • Used the VHD I had made with Disk2VHD
    • Windows was activated

    Conclusion: Three working and activated Windows 10 Pro machines using the same installation and generic key:
    • I created a virtual machine clean installing Windows 10 and activated it
    • Using the system image of that vm I transferred it to a laptop, it was activated
    • Using Disk2VHD on the laptop I created a new VHD of the same Windows 10 setup
    • Created a new vm using the VHD, Windows was activated
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  6.    01 Aug 2015 #16

    Kari said: View Post
    After I had finished the transfer, I signed in to new hardware (the transferred 10) using an MS / Insider account and used the Media Creation Tool to create a USB install media for clean install. Clean installed Windows 10 using this install media on original hardware with the generic key, first wiping the hard disks.

    Am using that Windows 10 now, clean installed and activated on the original hardware.

    Two more tests I made:
    • Using the ISO created with Media Creation tool from Microsoft, clean installed Windows 10 Pro to a Hyper-V virtual machine. Windows was automatically activated
    • Generalized that Hyper-VM Windows setup
    • Captured the image
    • Restored this image on an old HP laptop
    • Booted the HP laptop, gave the generic key in OOBE
    • Windows was setup correctly and automatically activated

    -- AND --
    • Using Disk2VHD, created a VHD of this HP laptop's activated Windows setup
    • Created a new Hyper-V virtual machine using the existing VHD option
    • Used the VHD I had made with Disk2VHD
    • Windows was activated

    Conclusion: Three working and activated Windows 10 Pro machines using the same installation and generic key:
    • I created a virtual machine clean installing Windows 10 and activated it
    • Using the system image of that vm I transferred it to a laptop, it was activated
    • Using Disk2VHD on the laptop I created a new VHD of the same Windows 10 setup
    • Created a new vm using the VHD, Windows was activated
    IMHO, then one or more of those systems isn't legal is it? It looks like you've cheated the system? Transferring is one thing, but you turned one legal free upgrade into three activated installs. Correct me if I'm wrong?
    Last edited by alphanumeric; 01 Aug 2015 at 07:51.
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  7.    01 Aug 2015 #17

    Kari said: View Post
    This scenario worked for me:
    1. Retail Windows 8.1 Pro, activated and valid.
    2. Upgraded to Windows 10 Pro yesterday, Windows 10 was automatically activated
    3. Generalized the Windows 10 (sysprep /generalize /shutdown) to remove all hardware related information and make Windows hardware independent and transferable
    4. Booted the machine with Macrium boot disk, created a system image containing all drives
    5. Booted another computer with Macrium boot disk, restored the above mentioned image
    6. Booted the new computer, entered the generic key in OOBE phase
    7. Windows set it up normally, when finally on desktop it was activated

    Short version: I had no issues in transferring Windows 10 to another hardware using the generic key.
    Hi Kari,
    Can you confirm that the computer at step 5 (I numbered your list ) had never had an activated Insider build (especially not 10240)?

    I'm wondering if it was possible that the second machine activated because the activation servers recognised the hardware from an earlier activation, and not because of the method you used to transfer?
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  8. Posts : 11,204
    Windows 10 Pro
       01 Aug 2015 #18

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    IMHO, then one or more of those systems isn't legal is it? You've cheated the system? Your actually pirating Windows now. Transferring is one thing, but you turned one legal free upgrade into three activated installs. Correct me if I'm wrong?
    Absolutely not. I don't do piracy and I detest the fact that you are calling me a pirate. I am expecting an apology.

    Those are clean installs using the MS / Insider account which was registered in Insider Program October 2014. I have remained an Insider opting for Fast Ring on each machine and as such I am totally allowed to do a clean install.

    If piracy in your books means that a clean installed and automatically without any whatsoever hacking / cracking / tools activated MS / Insider Windows 10 is a pirate copy, then we clearly have different opinion regarding this.

    Quoting myself, all according to this:

    Kari said: View Post
     1. Activation status after July 29th

    ("Windows 10 remains activated" in below list means it remains activated on the device in question.)

    • A clean installed Windows 10 Insider Preview
      • User remains as an Insider opting in for the upgrades, Windows 10 will remain activated until the user opts out
      • User opts out from the upgrade builds, Windows 10 will no longer be activated. User needs to install a qualifying valid OS and in-place upgrade or get a Windows 10 license for a clean install

    • An in-place upgraded Windows 10 Insider Preview, upgraded from a qualifying valid 7 or 8.1
      • User remains as an Insider opting in for the upgrades, Windows 10 will remain activated
      • User opts out from the upgrade builds, Windows 10 will remain activated because the qualifying OS was valid

    • An in-place upgraded Windows 10 Insider Preview, upgraded from a non-valid 7 or 8.1
      • User remains as an Insider opting in for the upgrades, Windows 10 will remain activated until the user opts out, being in the sense of activation and license the same as a clean installed Windows 10 Insider Preview
      • User opts out from the upgrade builds, Windows 10 will no longer be activated. User needs to install a qualifying valid OS and in-place upgrade or get a Windows 10 license for a clean install

    (Red font: only option for those upgraded from a non-valid 7 or 8.1 to keep the free Windows 10.)

     2. MS / Insider Accounts & upgrade rings:

    (Based on how it now works, my own experience & logics.)

    • User can use the same MS / Insider account on any number of machines, regardless if clean install or an in-place upgrade
    • All machines using this same account can separately opt in or out, the Insider & ring settings are not synced
    • All machines using this same account and which have opted in can have the ring separately set to fast or slow ring
    • For each machine and its activation status after the 29th of July, see the list 1. above
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  9.    01 Aug 2015 #19

    Kari said: View Post
    Absolutely not. I don't do piracy and I detest the fact that you are calling me a pirate. I am expecting an apology.

    Those are clean installs using the MS / Insider account which was registered in Insider Program October 2014. I have remained an Insider opting for Fast Ring on each machine and as such I am totally allowed to do a clean install.

    If piracy in your books means that a clean installed and automatically without any whatsoever hacking / cracking / tools activated MS / Insider Windows 10 is a pirate copy, then we clearly have different opinion regarding this.

    Quoting myself, all according to this:
    Hi there

    Thanks for clarifying

    I've also got a whole slew of VM's all activated.

    I think the whole issue will become clearer in the days to come after the intitial download frenzy is over.

    I think even Ms has been overwhelmed by the demand for W10.

    I agree with you too -- I might have "loosely" interpreted my old TechNet subscription terms and have used the odd "leaked build" - but running Ms Software on machines I actually use for PRODUCTIVE purposes -- no I don't believe in Piracy either.

    @Kari
    Anybody who even suggests to you that you are pirating software should give you an immediate apology -- you've been one of the most helpful contributors on this Forum as any user whose been around for some time will know and appreciate.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10.    01 Aug 2015 #20

    Kari said: View Post
    Absolutely not. I don't do piracy and I detest the fact that you are calling me a pirate. I am expecting an apology.

    Those are clean installs using the MS / Insider account which was registered in Insider Program October 2014. I have remained an Insider opting for Fast Ring on each machine and as such I am totally allowed to do a clean install.

    If piracy in your books means that a clean installed and automatically without any whatsoever hacking / cracking / tools activated MS / Insider Windows 10 is a pirate copy, then we clearly have different opinion regarding this.

    Quoting myself, all according to this:
    If your still in the Insider program on these PC's then these are insider builds not the consumer release right? You only just stated this now. I was originally talking about the free upgrade being non transferable. If you had said these were insider builds I wouldn't have said anything about pirating Windows. You can install the Insider release on as many PC's as you want so why go through all of what you posted?
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