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  1.    12 Apr 2018 #91

    CountMike said: View Post
    All I can say "Long live home made desktop computers " !!!!
    Years ago I buildt fully working desktops from parts I found in computer companies' thrash-containers or bought from second-hand stores.
    Buildt several of them, and they worked for years,-never a problem.
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       12 Apr 2018 #92

    emtor said: View Post
    Paljon kiitoksia.
    My wife also has assignements at home when she's not on campus, so she just needed something that did the job,-fast.

    When I fight HP you're welcome to join. Bring a bottle of Koskenkorva, some sisu and an iso puukko.
    You're welcome! :)

    Yes, we need "sisu" to get things going, the "iso puukko" to slice and dice the device if we can't get it working, and then "Koskenkorva" to flush all the frustration away and forget what we just did and finally some "Sisu" (the candy) to get our breath fresh so we don't smell bad afterwards.
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  3.    12 Apr 2018 #93

    essenbe said: View Post
    This forum exists for the same reason eightforums, sevenforums, Linux forums and Mac Forums exist. None of them are without their problems, no matter what you have heard. We have very few people who bother to register just to say how well their computer runs with Windows 10. We only get people who have problems, just like all other help forums.
    I would just like to say how extremely well Windows 10 runs on this Dell Latitude.
    I
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  4.    13 Apr 2018 #94

    Hi folks
    Apart from the "Appy" look which tries to make W10 look more and more like it's running from a 6 inch mobile phone screen it seems fast, safe and solid - probably best version yet. I've had zero problems testing new "unofficial" version 1803 - even networking isn't broken --must be a ist for windows.

    I do wish modern programs weren't though designed without menu bars and made to look as if they were meant to run on small mobile phone screens -- I have several large monitors where I run concurrent windowed applications - always moving bits of text / drawings / spreadsheet data etc between screens and programs and this would be really difficult if they all had to run in full screen mode. I've also got rid of most of the silly tiles on the start screen too.

    I can't see myself for example ever being converted to use Edge -- IE11. Firefox and Chrome all work just fine for me.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5.    13 Apr 2018 #95

    I wish people would stop saying that desktop/laptop W10 looks like phones. It's nothing like Android or IOS and it's Windows phone that looks like its on a desktop/laptop computer, although it's more like chicken and egg situation.
    I purposely took my Lumia 640 and upgraded to W10 Mobile so I can have a familiar interface and as a bonus it's working together with desktop fine unlike Android phones. Speaking of Android, it's probably most confusing environment and dependence on Google is definitely annoying. I wish MS would continue supporting phone OS so more APPs for it are also developed.
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       13 Apr 2018 #96

    CountMike said: View Post
    I wish people would stop saying that desktop/laptop W10 looks like phones. It's nothing like Android or IOS and it's Windows phone that looks like its on a desktop/laptop computer, although it's more like chicken and egg situation.
    I purposely took my Lumia 640 and upgraded to W10 Mobile so I can have a familiar interface and as a bonus it's working together with desktop fine unlike Android phones. Speaking of Android, it's probably most confusing environment and dependence on Google is definitely annoying. I wish MS would continue supporting phone OS so more APPs for it are also developed.
    If Android is confusing for you, then Windows mobile is confusing for me. I think it all depends on what we get used to. :)

    Just like Android depends on Google services, Windows phone depend on Microsoft services and IOS depends on Apple services. I see no difference there. :)

    I can't stand Apple mobile devices, while Windows mobile is very inconvenient for my mobile usage. Android is what I use and will keep using since it makes most sense to me. Someone else would prefer something else. All devices are great though.

    Why does Windows Apps look so mobile appy? It's because today almost everything is written from same code base and mostly made mobile friendly first. Most apps are scalable so they support any screen sizes, any resolutions and touch. This makes Apps look and feel like you are on a mobile even when on a desktop computer.

    So, some love this change and some hate it. I just ignore it and try to find the best tool for the job. But this is what the UWP platform is all about. :)
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  7.    13 Apr 2018 #97

    slicendice said: View Post
    If Android is confusing for you, then Windows mobile is confusing for me. I think it all depends on what we get used to. :)

    Just like Android depends on Google services, Windows phone depend on Microsoft services and IOS depends on Apple services. I see no difference there. :)

    I can't stand Apple mobile devices, while Windows mobile is very inconvenient for my mobile usage. Android is what I use and will keep using since it makes most sense to me. Someone else would prefer something else. All devices are great though.

    Why does Windows Apps look so mobile appy? It's because today almost everything is written from same code base and mostly made mobile friendly first. Most apps are scalable so they support any screen sizes, any resolutions and touch. This makes Apps look and feel like you are on a mobile even when on a desktop computer.

    So, some love this change and some hate it. I just ignore it and try to find the best tool for the job. But this is what the UWP platform is all about. :)
    Hi there
    @slicendice

    What you say has a bit of "convoluted Logic" about it -- while it's true that to develop software from a "unified code base" might seem the way forward it's how the USERS want to interact with their systems that count.

    I don't know of too many tablet or phone users who need to cut and paste data from several running concurrent apps -- on a PC running Engineering / scientific / Banking / Stock trading software or a variety of other things you absolutely need a "Classical Interface".

    Also you must have seen how rediculous it is when some of the Broadcasting authorities show Portrait scaled Mobile phone footage on News programs etc -- this looks totally BONKERS on large screens -- just turn the damn thing around onto Landscape mode and give us a sort of full screen picture. -- what's the point of > 50 inch screens if all we see are what looks like a typical mobile phone image with huge black bars down the side and a thin sliver of video on a giant screen !!!!.

    I have no trouble with an appy look on a say a Samsung Android phone -- I HATE it though on desktop computers -- why would I get into say a Ferrari and expect it to work like a Bicycle (although I like Push Bikes too) -- use the right tool for the job - a one size fits all never works in practice in spite of the supposed advantages.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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       13 Apr 2018 #98

    @jimbo45

    I hear you! Some developers has taken all this to the extreme and it's really terrible.

    Not everything is suited for an appy look. But the issue today is in the app design itself. If you run an app on a 5" phone screen with only touch capabilities, then the UI must be fitted accordingly, but lets say you run exactly the same app on a 32" QHD display using mouse, there must be a completely different set of features easily available and represented in a convenient way, without forcing the user to look at elephant sized icons and all menu options hidden behind a hamburger-button.

    I don't think all developers or their designers has thought this thing quite through. The key word here is "SCALABILITY" which many apps take advantage of very poorly. Small screen with decent resolution -> hide most stuff and completely disable some features. Big Screen with high resolution -> a lot of real estate -> use scalability to keep everything at readable sizes but cram all features available in the app as close to the main view as possible. Meaning show as much info as possible in the workspace and DO use menus or equivalents for quick access.

    For Stock/FOREX trading I don't need a "classical interface". 99.99% of the time all I do is click on a few important buttons, adjust some parameters and do a few swipe gesture on charts. For trading, an app is perfectly fine on both mobile and PC. Only the real estate is a lot bigger on a PC which makes it easier to get the big picture by having multiple charts open side by side. I don't need any menus at all for making money in trading. :)
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  9.    14 Apr 2018 #99

    slicendice said: View Post
    @jimbo45

    I hear you! Some developers has taken all this to the extreme and it's really terrible.

    Not everything is suited for an appy look. But the issue today is in the app design itself. If you run an app on a 5" phone screen with only touch capabilities, then the UI must be fitted accordingly, but lets say you run exactly the same app on a 32" QHD display using mouse, there must be a completely different set of features easily available and represented in a convenient way, without forcing the user to look at elephant sized icons and all menu options hidden behind a hamburger-button.

    I don't think all developers or their designers has thought this thing quite through. The key word here is "SCALABILITY" which many apps take advantage of very poorly. Small screen with decent resolution -> hide most stuff and completely disable some features. Big Screen with high resolution -> a lot of real estate -> use scalability to keep everything at readable sizes but cram all features available in the app as close to the main view as possible. Meaning show as much info as possible in the workspace and DO use menus or equivalents for quick access.

    For Stock/FOREX trading I don't need a "classical interface". 99.99% of the time all I do is click on a few important buttons, adjust some parameters and do a few swipe gesture on charts. For trading, an app is perfectly fine on both mobile and PC. Only the real estate is a lot bigger on a PC which makes it easier to get the big picture by having multiple charts open side by side. I don't need any menus at all for making money in trading. :)

    Hi there

    For actual Trading -- I agree but I'm thinking of things like "Technical Analysis" where you want to run some "What If" scenarios or spread sheets with pivot tables etc. In any case you still need to run things concurrently and using keyboard + mouse combos on big screens is still the most sensible way --even if you had touch screens would you want greasy fingers sliding all over a 1500 USD screen !!!!

    cheers
    jimbo
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       14 Apr 2018 #100

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there

    For actual Trading -- I agree but I'm thinking of things like "Technical Analysis" where you want to run some "What If" scenarios or spread sheets with pivot tables etc. In any case you still need to run things concurrently and using keyboard + mouse combos on big screens is still the most sensible way --even if you had touch screens would you want greasy fingers sliding all over a 1500 USD screen !!!!

    cheers
    jimbo
    This is on a $1000 screen, no mouse nor keyboard:

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