Windows 10: How to get rights to copy to Root of C:

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  1. Bree's Avatar
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       13 Mar 2018 #31

    dahermit said: View Post
    I found a workaround on this forum where one can uninstall Windows Update Assistant, delete the folder: C:\Windows\UpdateAssistant, delete the tasks..., it keeps the Update Assistant from running and automatically trying to download the 1709 update.
    Yes, that should work. I've used it myself on my test machine (System Two below).

    Generally, a manual upgrade using install media downloaded from Microsoft is a more reliable method than using the update assistant. I suggest you wait until version 1803 the Spring Creators Update is released some time in April then download the media and try an in-place upgrade using the methods in this tutorial.

    Repair Install Windows 10 with an In-place Upgrade
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  2. topgundcp's Avatar
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       14 Mar 2018 #32

    The original question in this thread is: How to get rights to copy to Root of C:
    which I gave the answer in post #2 which will silently copy the file to C:\ without prompting you for confirmation as shown in post #8.
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    A separate problem you now have is: You cannot update from 1703 to 1709. Since you have different advice from other people. I decided to bow out.

    Based on the screen shot. You upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10 and your Windows was installed using MBR disk layout.
    The first partition is the Factory Recovery partition (15GB), the second partition is System Reserved (100MB) and the third is your C-Drive.

    This layout will not work and cause Windows Updates to fail since the Max. # of partitions can be created with MBR disk is 4. However, the 4th partition will be created as Logical partition and Windows Updates is having problem dealing with Logical Partition.

    A standard System Reserved for Windows 10 is 550 MB (starting with version 1709) hence there's not enough storage for Windows to perform Updates.
    Here's a screen shot of Windows 10 installation:
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    You'd need to modify the partition layout to reduce to 2 partitions as shown above then you should be able to run update because during update, Windows will create an extra Recovery partition.


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  3.    14 Mar 2018 #33

    You'd need to modify the partition layout to reduce to 2 partitions as shown above then you should be able to run update because during update, Windows will create an extra Recovery partition.
    So, to sum it up, what you are suggesting is this?
    1. Expand the System Reserved partition to 550MB.
    2. Eliminate the Recovery Partition and the unallocated 1MB partition.
    3. Expand the C: partition to take up the rest of the drive.
    4. Download Windows 10 1709.
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  4. topgundcp's Avatar
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       14 Mar 2018 #34

    dahermit said: View Post
    So, to sum it up, what you are suggesting is this?
    1. Expand the System Reserved partition to 550MB.
    2. Eliminate the Recovery Partition and the unallocated 1MB partition.
    3. Expand the C: partition to take up the rest of the drive.
    4. Download Windows 10 1709.
    Yes but from your screen shot, I did not see that you have 1MB partition. If you see this partition from other partition manager, this 1MB is only an unallocated gap between partitions, ignore it.
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  5. Barman58's Avatar
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       14 Mar 2018 #35

    Here is an example of what I was told when I installed 1709 ...

    It involves leaving the existing System reserved partition but shrinking the C: partition and creating blank space at the end of the drive. The install will then use the total space to create a new partition and allocate various parts to one or other of the System Reserved and New partition.

    What this does is allow the changes to be made with a built in tools included with windows, (although I use Partition Wizard)

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    Due to the way that most windows installs are laid out, expanding the System Reserved partition which is usually at the start of the drive, will need the main windows partition to be moved to the right to make space, which is not possible using microsoft tools. It appears that Microsoft has added this extra technique to allow users to upgrade more easily .

    Also looking at the used space on the system and extra partition it appears that MS is finally doing the sensible thing and limiting the system restore to just the boot system and the recovery is moved to the end of the drive where it is easier to adjust

    Just an FYI to prove that it can be done :)
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  6.    14 Mar 2018 #36

    topgundcp
    Oh, boy... I took a look at my wife's computer (same make, model, specs as mine, bought at the same time, about a year ago) to see if her's had any problem with the 1709 download.

    I used "winver" in the command line... her computer has the 1709 build. Her computer did not have that goofy-ass, pesky Windows Update Assistant on it. Her partitions are: System Reserved = 350MB, System Recovery 14.65GB, C: = the remainder of the space.

    Hers seems to have downloaded the 1709 update despite not having a System Reserve partition of 550MB.
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  7. Bree's Avatar
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       14 Mar 2018 #37

    dahermit said: View Post
    ... her computer has the 1709 build. Her computer did not have that goofy-ass, pesky Windows Update Assistant on it...
    There are two ways to automatically get 1709. The first (and more usual) way is through Windows Update which downloads an update named 'Features update to Windows 10, version 1709'.

    The second way is a 'catch-all' for those machines where windows update has not worked. KB4023814 installs the Update Assistant which then works outside of the Windows Update processes.

    Look your wife got 1709 the normal way and you got lumbered with the Update Assistant
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  8. topgundcp's Avatar
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       14 Mar 2018 #38

    Oh, boy... I took a look at my wife's computer (same make, model, specs as mine, bought at the same time, about a year ago) to see if her's had any problem with the 1709 download.
    There's a difference between your wife's PC and yours. The 350 MB System Reserved indicates hers was updated from Windows 8 and yours was from Windows 7.
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  9.    14 Mar 2018 #39

    topgundcp said: View Post
    There's a difference between your wife's PC and yours. The 350 MB System Reserved indicates hers was updated from Windows 8 and yours was from Windows 7.
    So, do you think I could just partition my drive the same as hers (350 MB System Reserved) and then update 1709 will install on mine?
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  10.    14 Mar 2018 #40

    Bree said: View Post
    There are two ways to automatically get 1709. The first (and more usual) way is through Windows Update which downloads an update named 'Features update to Windows 10, version 1709'.
    The second way is a 'catch-all' for those machines where windows update has not worked. KB4023814 installs the Update Assistant which then works outside of the Windows Update processes.
    Look your wife got 1709 the normal way and you got lumbered with the Update Assistant
    I get the impression that 1709 downloads alright, but that it just does not install. What is your take on the fact that my wife's hard drive System Reserve partition is 350MB whereas mine is only 100MB. Could that be the reason for my problem installing 1709?
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