Windows 10: What Fresh Hell Is This Re: MS Version 1709??

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  1.    09 Mar 2018 #31

    Hi folks

    Not meant to be a bashing Windows or Linux is better (or worse) than Windows

    Just saying that bog standard Windows should work fine in 99% of cases if you don't attempt to fiddle with it too much -- that's the whole point of it - it's meant to run straight OOB.

    Of course there are always people who like to get into the real geeky bits -- good luck to them and they often have very useful tips -- but my advice remains to the slightly more technically challenged users -- just leave the main OS alone, don't install eseoteric "cleaning / spyware preventing / dubious" 3rd party apps, take regular system backups and surf safely. 100,000's of people if not millions successfully use Windows this way without any issues at all.

    I go on about Linux when it comes to SERVERS as I think as a server system Windows isn't that great - but that's another issue.

    W10 DOES work -- believe it or not and works quite decently too.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  2. Posts : 1,740
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       09 Mar 2018 #32

    CountMike said: View Post
    Linux is great to run "As it is" just choose right distro and there's tons of them. Mild customizing is within everybody's reach but anything more advanced requires some knowledge specific to Linux or even particular distro.
    The main problem is finding compatible themes that don't require installing other theme engines.

    Manually hacking themes is slightly easier in Linux than Windows.
    I've done it, but it took me weeks to finish (trying colour combos, adding icons, etc.).

    Downloading and using a special tool to edit Windows dll files isn't fun.

    CountMike said: View Post
    People that started with Linux are at advantage there, coming from Windows, not so much. I get so many questions about installing drivers for instance, even side loading APPs. "Where the heck is that .exe to install a program" is most asked question.
    With windows it's much easier, run setup.exe and (hopefully) it will install and run. Drivers (mostly) like that too. There's no milk and honey with Linux either.
    If you want to install software that isn't in the Software Manager, then installing can be painful/scary.
    Adding new Repositories isn't something that "Average Users" should do.

    More software is built with "double click to install" these days.

    I always use the Synaptic Software Manager in Linux Mint (not the other one).

    Type the program's name in the Search box and tick it in the result list.
    Agree to any dialogue boxes (just like Windows) and click the "Apply" button.
    The main issue is that "nobody" knows the names of Linux programs.

    Drivers are more painful than in Windows, if you have to find & install them manually.

    Luckily my Linux Mint installs have always worked out-of-the-box (see below).
    The required proprietary drivers were also already available in the Driver Manager.
    Click the radio button and then click the "Apply" button.

    DeaconFrost said: View Post
    The more I use Linux, the more I realize it is no threat to Windows. Try changing the root password, join a domain, or just update a friggin' graphics driver.
    Changing a password only requires a simple Terminal command.
    I've never tried doing it in the Windows Command Prompt, but I suspect that the command would be slightly longer.

    When I did Linux Networking we weren't allowed to use the GUI, but IIRC it required adding/changing a couple of lines in a couple of config files (we weren't allowed to use a text editor either, we had to use "vim").
    People used to constantly complain about the Network Manager GUI tool though.

    "Average Users" shouldn't be doing those things though.

    As @jimbo45 has posted, "Tinkerers" should create Backup Images (regardless of the OS).
    You can easily duplicate a Linux install to a new drive, using "dd" or a simple script (unlike Windows).
    Most members here (who are comfortable with the Command Prompt or PowerShell) should have no problems.

    Drivers are a pain if the Distro doesn't offer them.
    I swapped to Linux Mint 13 from Ubuntu 10 when I couldn't get my ATI driver to work.

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    W10 DOES work -- believe it or not and works quite decently too.
    W10 runs smoothly, when Windows Update isn't causing problems.

    My W10 Home crapped itself after ~2 months (in 2015) and it required a clean reinstall (the built-in repair tools couldn't fix it).
    I'm going to have to reimage it now, due to the 1709 problems.

    On my W10 Pro, before 1703, I encountered almost no major issues (including Windows Update).
    I've only had to perform one additional clean reinstall.
    I've had to copy my backup W10 Pro 1703 VM onto my PC due to 1709 problems.

    So from my perspective W10 is actually getting worse (more issues = worse).


    If MS would specify exactly what hardware and software they used to "validate" their updates/upgrades, we could all buy that combo and maybe all issues would be eliminated.

    However, I see articles about Apple not being immune to bugs/issues, despite basically only having one combination of hardware to write software for.

    IMO, W7 is easier to use than Linux Mint 18, but both of them are more reliable than W10. :)
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  3.    10 Mar 2018 #33

    Graphics in my Mint-Mate 18.2 is working fine as a standalone but in VM it's impossible to set resolution right to cover whole screen while any windows in VM, even XP is quite adjustable.
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  4.    10 Mar 2018 #34

    This is somewhat off topic, but still worthy of note ...

    I'm glad to see posts in this thread from people who show some level of sympathy for those who have been fubarred/bricked/hosed by the rash of system-busting Windows 10 "updates".

    Elsewhere it's has been commoner to read ...

    I didn't have a problem.

    Millions of users had no problem with FCU, the latter being a mis-acronym that aptly applies to the brickee/victim.

    You're nuts to disable updates! You'll get no security updates! Your system will become a hacker's target and it will spread malware throughout the world!

    The PC has become an appliance. It's just supposed to work. Most users have no expertise in maintaining or fixing ... and shouldn't need any such skills.

    Yes, every appliance ages and fails eventually. But when updates that are supposed to improve it instead cause it to brick ... that just represents poor quality.

    So thanks to all for NOT criticizing the OP. He's a victim, not a perpetrator.
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  5.    10 Mar 2018 #35

    There was no victimizing in his first post, what he described is normal and successful update.
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  6.    10 Mar 2018 #36

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    W10 regularly craps itself (on vanilla installs) when it receives supposedly working updates/upgrades.
    The dodgy updates that MS regularly releases are just "icing on the cake".

    Well, that could be just one of the "Known Issues" like this one from the March 5, 2018 - KB4090913, quote:

    After installing this update, some devices may fail to start, and return INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE.

    This issue occurs when the windows update servicing stack incorrectly skips installing the newer version of some critical drivers in the cumulative update and uninstalls the currently active drivers during maintenance.

    Stating that the update is intentionally "dodgy" may not be an incorrect statement...

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    Windows Update is more of a threat to W10 PCs, than surfing the Internet without any protection (no AV, no Script Blocker).

    That's plausible, but pretty much underestimates the malware floating around nowadays...

    Albeit, good luck to the malware on a system with "INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE"....
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       10 Mar 2018 #37

    CountMike said: View Post
    Graphics in my Mint-Mate 18.2 is working fine as a standalone but in VM it's impossible to set resolution right to cover whole screen while any windows in VM, even XP is quite adjustable.
    Weird.

    Are you using VMware Player/Workstation?
    Have you installed VMware Tools?

    Here what LM18.2 looks like in VMware Workstation 9 on my PC (W7 Host):

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    margrave55 said: View Post
    This is somewhat off topic, but still worthy of note ...

    I'm glad to see posts in this thread from people who show some level of sympathy for those who have been fubarred/bricked/hosed by the rash of system-busting Windows 10 "updates".
    A lot of "experts" have forgotten what it was like to be an "Average User".

    "Days of yore", when any seemingly innocent mouse click could lead to disaster:
    • Malware infection
    • Loss of work
    • Trashed OS
    • etc.


    Cr00zng said: View Post
    Stating that the update is intentionally "dodgy" may not be an incorrect statement...
    I actually meant that a lot of bad updates (W7, W8 Series & W10) have been released by MS since W10 was unleashed.

    In this case, the update "mistake" conveniently aided MS' "W10 Master Plan".
    (see bottom of this post for new info)

    Cr00zng said: View Post
    That's plausible, but pretty much underestimates the malware floating around nowadays...
    Avast went off ~3 times last year when I was browsing the Internet.

    Since I create monthly backups, it wouldn't have been a total disaster if I had been infected with something.

    Cr00zng said: View Post
    Albeit, good luck to the malware on a system with "INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE"....
    Once malware can do that we're all screwed.


    MS has fixed/released an update which apparently fixes the issue for those who haven't already been affected.
    Important
    Microsoft is aware that this notification was incorrectly delivered to some Windows 10 Version 1703 devices that had a user-defined feature update deferral period configured. Microsoft mitigated this issue on March 8, 2018.
    Users who were affected by this issue and who upgraded to Windows 10 Version 1709 can revert to an earlier version within 10 days of the upgrade. To do this, open Settings > Update & Security > Recovery, and then select Get started under Go back to the previous version of windows 10.
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...stall-the-late
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  8.    11 Mar 2018 #38

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    Weird.

    Are you using VMware Player/Workstation?
    Have you installed VMware Tools?

    Here what LM18.2 looks like in VMware Workstation 9 on my PC (W7 Host):

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    Just ordinary VmWare Player free, some insider build a while ago made me reinstall VmWare and never bothered to install Tools again. It's not too important anyway.
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  9.    11 Mar 2018 #39

    CountMike said: View Post
    There was no victimizing in his first post, what he described is normal and successful update.
    Albeit a totally and unwanted update that went against the conscious preferences that I thought I set in place to avoid such an intrusion.
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  10.    11 Mar 2018 #40

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    I actually meant that a lot of bad updates (W7, W8 Series & W10) have been released by MS since W10 was unleashed.

    There's a reason why all of my systems had been updated to Windows 10. It's been pretty much unbearable to deal with W7 and 8.1 updates...

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    In this case, the update "mistake" conveniently aided MS' "W10 Master Plan".
    (see bottom of this post for new info)

    The "W10 Master Plan" is actually a well designed business plan, that performing well, judging by their stock performance:

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    More than doubling the stock price for a perennial 40+ bucks stock in less than three years, it's pretty good.

    Disclaimer: MS isn't doing anything that has not been done previously by Apple, Facebook, Google and alike. The largest market share for MS, at least on the desktops, will result in continuous increase in their stock price.

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    Avast went off ~3 times last year when I was browsing the Internet.

    Since I create monthly backups, it wouldn't have been a total disaster if I had been infected with something.

    My systems backed up daily via licensed Reflect, the images are encrypted and the Macrium Image Guard turned on. The latter one is great to prevent changes to the images, well, as long as the malware did not turn it off.

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    Once malware can do that we're all screwed.

    Well, it's not impossible with the Intel Management Engine, that is basically an OS running other OS's as VMs. It sort of reminds me to LPAR on the IBM mainframe...

    https://hackaday.com/2016/01/22/the-...gement-engine/
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