W10 Fail

mousegolf said:

I didn't know I was specifically speaking to you. Too funny....

Seems you didn't get the note that this is a free discussion forum.. and I joined in on the discussion. If you don't like that start your own forum and make your own rules.

Let's keep it civil.

Berton said:

I use Total Commander but if there's budgetary constraints might try FreeCommander.
http://freecommander.com/en/summary/

I use FreeCommander whenever I have to do anything other than simple file operations.
The Mass Rename tool is excellent.

mousegolf said:

All the clutter on the Toolbars/Navigation panes are ridiculous with not only Windows 8/10 but also all office programs. More is not better M$!

lehnerus2000: You are a true believer in K.I.S.S. and clutter is not at all conducive to that premise. I trust you also get the clique's harassment if you stray away from "their common beliefs". They are are the sheep, we are the people who see the world as it should be, not as it is presented to us by M$.

My main gripe is the constant attempts to trick/force users to use an Online Account.

Most of my quibbles are minor, or they have existed in Windows for years and MS still won't fix them:

• File Explorer issues mentioned previously
• Mandatory Automatic Updates
• OS ignores the "Read-only" attribute (introduced after XP)
• "Hide extensions ..." is still the default setting
• Doesn't implement/support long path names
• "Any colour you like as long as it's white" (Brink's fix)
• Still has 2 Control Panels (CP and Settings) even though the W8 series was released >2 years ago

A W7 issue caused by W10:

• MS constantly trying to force users to install GWX, by pushing out KB2953664 every couple of weeks (it can't be permanently hidden)

Berton said:

To me that just means the file can't be changed, quite useful if using a particular document as a template for succeeding edits/versions. As you noted, it doesn't mean it can't be copied. Case in point, files on a CD-R, CD-ROM or equivalent DVD are automatically marked as Read-only, can't be changed but when copied back to an HDD usually have that attribute removed.

In XP, if you marked a file as "Read-only" the OS wouldn't delete it without bringing up a separate message asking for permission.
I think you also got a warning if you tried to move it.

The later Windows versions (I don't know about Vista) will just delete "Read-only" files without additional notification.

Berton said:

The implementation of LFN/Long File Names back in Windows 95 has something to do with that along with the HDD having to store 2 names for the same file, 8.3 convention and the LFN.

I meant Long Path Names (i.e. ~32,000 characters as opposed to ~255 characters).

Berton said:

EDIT: I forgot to mention that DOS did have a way to make files Read-only. One could invoke the Attrib command which had some switches to use for setting or displaying the read-only, archive, system, and hidden attributes of a file or directory.

You can still mark files as "Read-only" in the file's Properties window, but only programs respect it (e.g. Word).

Fast Boot and DX12 are enough to convince me to upgrade. Honestly, if it didn't work for you, just downgrade. It's a touch of a button away. It works perfectly for me, but not everyone will have a good experience with it. Also, it's not like Windows 7 didn't have its share of problems. People who upgraded to Windows 7 and encountered issues had the same reaction as you.

Actually, not much was moved from Control panel but some settings are duplicated.

kyliansunn said:

My experience so far:
1. Search sucks. Had to rebuild indexing 2 times in just 3 days cause it stopped displaying results.
2. Start menu cannot be customized (like drag&drop shortcuts to all programs list or start menu). You can add programs as tiles, but then search won't find them.
3. My laptop is hot as hell and keeps fanning all the time.
4. Libraries keep rearranging themselves.
5. The apps appear in different language than the rest of the system. Japanese, actually.
6. I cannot even set default download location for edge browser (unless I do it with regedit).
7. There are personal folders in My Computer directory which I cannot remove (unless with regedit).
8. There is two different type of control setting, one for the tablet side of things and one for the PC stuff. Only sometimes your tablet setting overrule your PC settings and vice versa. The whole control panel thing is now a big huge mess.

All in all, things you ve taken for granted ever since windows XP now take hours using regedit and powershell. Does windows 10 sucks in my experience? It does. Big time.

P.s.: the only thing I did not have any problem with was DirectX 12. But that's probably because no program uses Dx12 yet...

You can customize the Start menu. Drag your shortcuts into C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs, or make a folder and drag the shortcut under it to add it under a program category.
I agree with the one about Edge, but just use Firefox or Chrome. Who actually uses the built-in browser?

Everything else is pretty much something wrong with your computer specifically. Programs, upgrade issues, manufacturers failing to release new drivers, etc. Some people will have good upgrade experiences and others won't. That's what the "Go back to a previous version of Windows" feature is for.