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  1.    11 Aug 2015 #101

    mousegolf said: View Post
    I guess you didn't read that I take care of hundreds of computers owned by senior citizens. Windows 7 is plenty for them and for professionals, they won't see W8 or W10 in the large corporations, ever.

    Why? Familiarity, not new learning curves.

    I won't change these people's minds but when someone searches the net for opinions they'll see that professionals are looking out for their interests.
    Then.. why complain about an OS that no one is forcing you to use and/or like??
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       11 Aug 2015 #102

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    Then.. why complain about an OS that no one is forcing you to use and/or like??

    You really don't read a person's post thoroughly. That's enough banter with you. Civil is as civil does.
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  3.    11 Aug 2015 #103

    mousegolf said: View Post
    You really don't read a person's post thoroughly. That's enough banter with you. Civil is as civil does.
    I asked a question in a very civil manor.. did I call you a name or something?? No..

    I have zero issue with you using any OS that you want to and helping the seniors that you help using what ever OS they want to use. Still not uncivil, IMO. My only question is why rag on an OS that you don't plan on using??

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       11 Aug 2015 #104

    z31fanatic said: View Post
    What kind of support tech are you that can't be bothered to learn something new?
    Things evolve and you need to get on with the times and learn to adapt.
    No, you need to be willing to learn what's new, and to stand against the changes that are not beneficial. The times are still that the classic styled start menu is much more efficient for many people, and therefore a superior design concept.
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  5.    11 Aug 2015 #105

    What I hate on W10 is that everything is so BIG. This is ridiculous, they're designing the system thinking about touch only, fat fingers. The mouse/keyboard experience is ruined and to match it all the UI is UGLY, plain simple UGLY!
    Last edited by JChristian; 11 Aug 2015 at 15:23.
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       11 Aug 2015 #106

    fracking4oil said: View Post
    If we wanted Windows 7 we'd stick to Windows 7, just as you should do. Personally I hate Windows 7, because it was just XP with name changes and things moved for the sake of "being new". At least this time around things are actually new and have new looks.
    Things had new looks in Windows Vista / 7 compared to XP about as much as they do in Windows 10. And in Windows 10, the new looks are more frivolous than they were in Vista / 7. I think that what you wrote applies a whole lot more to Windows 10 than it possibly could to Windows Vista / 7.

    In no way was 7 just XP.
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       11 Aug 2015 #107

    JChristian said: View Post
    What I hate on W10 is that everything is so BIG. This is ridiculous, they're designing the system thinking about touch only, fat fingers. The mouse/keyboard experience is ruined and to match it all the UI is UGLY, plain simple UGLY!
    I also think that the UI in Windows 10 is distasteful. Before I find Windows 10 an environment that I can spend a serious amount of time in, I'll need to install things like:

    Aeor Glass: Aero Glass for Windows 8.x+
    Classic Shell: Classic Shell - Start menu and other Windows enhancements

    Or a Vista theme to change the title bars and taskbar: Vista Themes for Windows 10 by sagorpirbd on DeviantArt

    I think Microsoft may eventually provide a revision, or fuller visual design for Windows 10, because many people are very put off by the design of release Windows 10, and for some people it is a complete barrier to accepting Windows 10.
    Last edited by Boozad; 11 Aug 2015 at 15:24. Reason: Removed language from quote.
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  8.    11 Aug 2015 #108

    Delicieuxz said: View Post
    I also think that the UI in Windows 10 is distasteful. Before I find Windows 10 an environment that I can spend a serious amount of time in, I'll need to install things like:

    Aeor Glass: Aero Glass for Windows 8.x+
    Classic Shell: Classic Shell - Start menu and other Windows enhancements

    Or a Vista theme to change the title bars and taskbar: Vista Themes for Windows 10 by sagorpirbd on DeviantArt

    I think Microsoft may eventually provide a revision, or fuller visual design for Windows 10, because many people are very put off by the design of release Windows 10, and for some people it is a complete barrier to accepting Windows 10.
    Hell yeah, I'm one of those people. Some may call me crazy but I find W8.1 visual and overall usability BETTER than W10...
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       11 Aug 2015 #109

    mousegolf said: View Post
    Those of us who are "like minded" will influence Microsoft to make a better update to this new Windows System from our feedback, not to mention the new computer buyers who will bring their W10 PC back to the store after they get it home and say, "this is not Windows as it [should be]". The W8 buyers shouted to the world how terrible that experience was. I firmly believe that W10 is going to bang it's head into a brick wall due to the

    W8 fiasco.
    I see you're back at it continuing with your "fail" campaign. "Unbelieveable".

    All you "like minded" all had a chance just as we all did to join the Insiders program to voice our feedback. Through the months MS developed 10 to a point of RTM build. How'd that go for you? Unfortunately not too well for you the way you see things I see. MS must and will have their way with WinRT in order to survive in today's and future markets. I think it to be rather ingenious the way they're going about it. I feel that's the main point we all need to understand.

    We Windows loyalist keep guiding Microsoft to stick with "what worked". They best listen or they will be selling a lot more Windows 7 OEM disks to manufactures.
    Once again you neatly seperate yourself from others as if you are a "chosen one" for a particular mission. So, therefore, those in favor of the new direction are not "Windows loyalists"? Hmm....Sounds to me like a judgement call.

    I have to laugh at the folks who told me how great Windows 8 was and that there was no need for a Start Menu. They were so adamant about that, it was crazy! Now they all are eating crow.
    IMO, for my use and others that commented likewise it is great and indeed greater yet with 8.1.1. Yes, admittedly 8/8.1 didn't sell as well as MS might have wished, but they didn't loose money on it either. Nor did they have to rewrite a lot of the code still present in 10, which is a lot of their cost in development. Looks to me like they basically slapped training wheels on 8.1, defaulted it to boot to desktop, which BTW was an 8.1 option, and called it 10.

    Pray tell "eating crow" over what? No loss to me and many others for those that may have stuck with 7 and not seeing the genious we saw in 8/8.1. MS continues to make money on 7 in the Enterprise enviroment, so no skin off their noses there either.

    I would guess that you not only look out for your own system satisfaction but for others as well. The mavericks just want something to play with, with no regard to the masses. That's just fine but to shrug off smart observations by people who care about other people's computer experience is just plain silly.
    "Mavericks"? OMG you're simply relentless at categorizing people, placing them in boxes, and standing in judgement. Sounds like another historical Inquisition. How about we let free people choose freely for themselves what their own computer experience will be? I think that to be a Modern idea rather than remaining in the Dark Ages. Simply let people try 10 out for themselves. If they don't like it MS left the option to roll it back.

    The market will cast it's vote just as it did with 8/8.1 or any other OS for that matter. Yes, MS took a step back, saw the problem of "unfamiliararity" and "learning curve" with 8/8.1, slapped training wheels on it, and called it 10.

    That's the way I see for what it's worth.


    mousegolf said: View Post
    I guess you didn't read that I take care of hundreds of computers owned by senior citizens. Windows 7 is plenty for them and they have learned it well.

    As for professionals, they won't see W8 or W10 in the large corporations, ever. If anything, W7 will get pushed back to 2025 for extended support.

    Why? Familiarity, not new learning curves.

    I won't change these people's minds but when someone searches the net for opinions they'll see that professionals are looking out for their interests.
    Sorry, but your company ownership doesn't qualify you as an authority on navigation within an OS. You're simply a manager that bought your own job just as I did with a construction business. Owning a business didn't nor will it make me an authority on construction, although I know how to construct following a blueprint. It doesn't make me an architect or a structural engineer with a degree and proper license. If you can show me a degree in OS Ergonomics then I will listen. Until then to me you sound like the clashing of symbols.

    Anyone in the know would've learned by now that for the most part Enterprise doesn't upgrade to the latest OS release. Those with XP are upgrading to 7 or 8.1. Those that upgraded to 7 or 8.1 already will most likely remain there until all the kinks are worked out of 10. Nothing new really.

    Last, but not least, and more so to answer your first point of success of 10, it seems to be off to a good start. Not much on the Net yet, but I found this.

    Windows 10s usage share continues climb | Computerworld

    This graph is taken from that article and I quote.

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       11 Aug 2015 #110

    I really miss DOS. Real men use DOS.
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