Windows 10: Observation.

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  1. Posts : 3,209
    10.5 Home 1803 x64
       23 Dec 2017 #11

    To address your issue: disable Windows update and create a system image with AOMEI or Macrium.
    Once updates break something, simply revert to the previous image and wait until the next update.

    Mothie said: View Post
    If only someone had invented a decent alternative system!
    That would be XP slowly being replaced by Windows 7. You can still use 7 for about 10 more years.

    Mothie said: View Post
    Where the devil do we keep looking for solutions when Microsoft obviously is not testing thoroughly the updates it puts out and spends most of it's time hiding settings as deep as it can? They have always practiced/ counted upon us to tell them where problems are.
    MS never cared about customers or feedback and never will. One would think, that with Windows Insider, things would get better, but they have actually got worse. When the time comes, MS just stamps a random unstable Insider version as RTM and keeps rolling as if nothing has happened. To put it bluntly, every Windows user is an Insider now. I had problems on every computer using 10, but I have managed to tame 10 to my liking, it is far from being perfect, but it will have to do.
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  2. Posts : 986
    Windows 7/64 Professional
       23 Dec 2017 #12

    I have had Windows 10 for almost 2 weeks. [Version 10.0.16299.125]
    I have been reading lots of things on this forum from the beginning of this forum.
    So that kind of gave me a heads up, to a degree.

    Windows 10 is for sure a learning experience.
    If it wasn't for the Ten Forum's Tutorials I would be hairless.
    I'm slowly figuring out how to find things.
    I'm also getting things as I want them in the most part.

    Things that should be simple; like changing font size. The way Windows 7 was so simple.
    With Windows 10 I have to use the tutorial by Brink to change font size.

    What could be the reason to remove this. One could use this and make change and see what happened.
    Keep changing things until ones eyes are happy.

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    Now I'm not against Windows 10. There is many things I like about it.
    I just wonder why some basic things that have worked well in Windows 7 were not carried over to Windows 10.


    My worry is once I get things the way I want them the next upgrade comes along and I have to start all over again.

    Because of watching this forum for a long time I have notice all the hell members go through after a new version is installed.
    Because most threads posted are people having problems and not people that are not having problems, reading threads is some what misleading.
    The end result is simple to me. What ever Microsoft does their operating systems are still the best I know of.
    I gave up on Linux a couple of years ago. It was nothing but a hassle. It's kept changing the time in my bios and everything I wanted to do I had to keep entering my password.

    So some how I will be a Windows 10 person on this computer and later on in time on my other computer.

    Just to point out one thing I really like in Windows 10.
    Windows key + X, or right tick on the Start key.
    Both methods show things that I use often.
    I don't have to do a bunch of ticking on a bunch of things to find basic function.
    I took me two days to find this little goodie.


    I like the fact that 1709 has M.S. Paint and 3D Paint. I don't use paint anything often but they are nice to have if one wants them.
    I also notice that Windows Media Player is back in Windows 10.
    So yes, their is a lot of nice things with this new operating system. Some are old things are kept and some new things added.

    For me Windows 10 is a learning experience, like all new operating system have been.
    I just don't want to have a new learning experience every few months with a Upgrade.

    Jack
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  3.    23 Dec 2017 #13

    observation


    Thank you Gentlemen for your inputs, very encouraging and amusing aswell.
    Normally i can overcome the odd Microsoft cu's, I suppose my comments (rants) if you like, are born of this continous problem of day to day, one after the other, of changes to my OS system, in particular having just cleared up one problem to have it changed back or modified again upon restart. It is just a pointless excercise and very annoying to boot.

    In the past finding/accessing a problem was far simpler than at present. Microsoft (supposedly for our good) now hides the tools to get the job done.

    Age and knowledge no longer counts with this current system and I suspect it will only become worse in that respect.
    Anyway, my rant has earned me an infraction for expressing my opinions.

    Good luck to you all
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  4.    23 Dec 2017 #14

    To be fair not everybody knows that Windows 10 Forums is an independent web site and has not been authorized, sponsored, or otherwise approved by Microsoft Corporation. "Windows 10" and related materials are trademarks of Microsoft Corp.
    Add in all the MVP badges and its not a big stretch to thinking its a Microsoft sponsored Site.

    I for the most part haven't had many big issues. That's not to say others haven't though. If your one of the few with multiple issues, your going to rant. I do it from time to time. No infractions yet, I'm carful to diss windows not another forum member.

    To the OP, post your issues in separate threads, if you can, and somebody will try to help. I'm not all that happy with the current release cycle and frequent big upgrades, but it is what it is. I don't see it changing any time soon so we'll just have to deal with it. One could say "moved" versus "hidden" as to those hard to find settings.
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  5.    23 Dec 2017 #15

    Observations


    Thanks for your input, you can put me amongst those that believed it was Microsoft backed.
    I totally agree with your sentiments expressed.

    Graham.

    Have a good Christmas all.
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  6.    24 Dec 2017 #16

    Windows 10 is ever changing OS, for some (Insiders) even more than for regulars. Complaining about that new version "broke" some programs is at same level as complaining about W98 programs not working with W7 for instance.

    Those "facts" of yours are not facts. Here are the facts:

    Hierarchy of a computer system has been established at very beginning, Hardware > OS > Programs (SW) and that's not going to change any soon. Each one is fully dependent on previous one.

    HW is not "braking" OS, OS has to keep up with HW, OS is not "braking" programs, programs have to keep up with OS. If a program doesn't evolve with previous two instances, it's at fault and should be replaced if it's author won't or can't update it should be replaced or dumped.
    For programs/games I can't/won't "live" without, I have set up dual boot with W7, that's only how far back I can go with this HW otherwise there would be XP in there too.
    There's also Linux (Mint) in my mix so most bases are covered. For the rest there's also VM to use.
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  7. Posts : 2,743
    W10 Pro + W10 Preview
       24 Dec 2017 #17

    Layback Bear said: View Post
    I'm slowly figuring out how to find things.
    Things that should be simple; like changing font size. The way Windows 7 was so simple.
    With Windows 10 I have to use the tutorial by Brink to change font size.
    Type in Search.....anything you wish to know is instantly located or explained....just couldn't be simpler.
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  • Posts : 744
    W10 Pro (desktop), W10 (laptop), W10 (laptop), W10Pro (tablet)
       24 Dec 2017 #18

    The worst version of Windows in regards to updates was Windows 7. On a system that hadn't been booted in awhile, there would often be dozens or even hundreds of updates that would be forced when you shut the system down. Also had major problems with the Update Service in Win 7 causing the cpu to be pegged at 100%. I was glad to be rid of that mess.

    I have multiple desktops, multiple laptops and multiple Windows tablets, all running Win 10 (some Pro, some not). I've never had an update cause an issue for me in Windows 10. IMO, Win 10 is much cleaner and far more stable than any previous version of Windows.
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  •    24 Dec 2017 #19

    CountMike said: View Post
    Windows 10 is ever changing OS, for some (Insiders) even more than for regulars. Complaining about that new version "broke" some programs is at same level as complaining about W98 programs not working with W7 for instance.

    Those "facts" of yours are not facts. Here are the facts:

    Hierarchy of a computer system has been established at very beginning, Hardware > OS > Programs (SW) and that's not going to change any soon. Each one is fully dependent on previous one.

    HW is not "braking" OS, OS has to keep up with HW, OS is not "braking" programs, programs have to keep up with OS. If a program doesn't evolve with previous two instances, it's at fault and should be replaced if it's author won't or can't update it should be replaced or dumped.
    For programs/games I can't/won't "live" without, I have set up dual boot with W7, that's only how far back I can go with this HW otherwise there would be XP in there too.
    There's also Linux (Mint) in my mix so most bases are covered. For the rest there's also VM to use.
    Totally agree. Some older games and programs have issues with Win 10 so I dual boot Win 7 in order to use those programs or play those games. Couldn't be easier.
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  •    24 Dec 2017 #20

    strollin said: View Post
    The worst version of Windows in regards to updates was Windows 7. On a system that hadn't been booted in awhile, there would often be dozens or even hundreds of updates that would be forced when you shut the system down.
    What windows 7 were you using?
    I used starter, home and pro and never had a forced update (beside maybe the GWX update);
    are you serious or are just ... well s trolling:)
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