A Rant: Win Updates and their frustrations.

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  1. Posts : 25,047
    10 Home x64 (21H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #11

    Josey Wales said:
    ...The features that are in 15063 are about the level that most users will ever need.
    Unfortunately we have to embrace change now, or risk using a vulnerable system. 15063 will be out of support in nine months.



    Microsoft said:
    Desktop operating systems Date of availability End of support
    Windows 10 version 1507 ** July 29, 2015 May 9, 2017
    Windows 10 version 1511 ** November 10, 2015 October 10, 2017
    Windows 10 version 1607 ** August 2, 2016 Tentatively March 2018
    Windows 10 version 1703 ** April 5, 2017 Tentatively September 2018
    Windows 10 version 1709** October 17, 2017 Tentatively March 2019

    ** Applies to Windows 10 Home, Pro, Education and Enterprise editions.


    Microsoft | Windows lifecycle fact sheet
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       #12

    I share the frustration. I blocked the spring update, and I'm blocking the fall.
    I'm fine with Windows 10. I don't need Windows 11 and 12 pushed onto me. There's no need.

    And, after reading in these pages the horror stories of problems resulting from the updates I have to ask myself:
    Q: Do I want to update this new system, which has NOTHING broken now, and risk breaking it?
    A: No.

    My next OS upgrade will come with the next, replacement computer. That'll be about five years from now.

    Since we're now at Windows 13 and we're seeing two releases per year, that future box will probably ship with Windows 23. That'll be my next version.
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  3. Posts : 25,684
    Windows 11 Pro 22621.160
       #13

    [QUOTE=Bree;1238565]Unfortunately we have to embrace change now, or risk using a vulnerable system. 15063 will be out of support in nine months.

    Then in 9 months I will be using something else. There will be no Win 11 or 12 just upgrade after upgrade of 10.
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  4. Posts : 25,047
    10 Home x64 (21H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #14

    margrave55 said:
    I share the frustration. I blocked the spring update, and I'm blocking the fall...
    ...And, after reading in these pages the horror stories of problems resulting from the updates I have to ask myself:
    Q: Do I want to update this new system, which has NOTHING broken now, and risk breaking it?
    A: No.
    Yes, there are a lot of threads like that on TenForums, in fact I have provided support on quite a few. On commonly recurring theme I've seen these on these 'problem' threads is the use of tweaking tools, registry hacks and third party shells to bend Win10 into something that resembles an older more familiar version.

    On the other hand I've upgraded my machines with no problem at all, first from Win7 to 1507, then on through each subsequent version up to 1709. Where I've customised Start to my liking it's been done by working with the Microsoft OS, not fighting against it.
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  5. Posts : 25,684
    Windows 11 Pro 22621.160
       #15

    Bree said:
    Yes, there are a lot of threads like that on TenForums, in fact I have provided support on quite a few. On commonly recurring theme I've seen these on these 'problem' threads is the use of tweaking tools, registry hacks and third party shells to bend Win10 into something that resembles an older more familiar version.

    On the other hand I've upgraded my machines with no problem at all, first from Win7 to 1507, then on through each subsequent version up to 1709. Where I've customised Start to my liking it's been done by working with the Microsoft OS, not fighting against it.
    The only hacks I used were provided by this forum although I do use Classic Shell--Only the menu part of it.
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  6. Posts : 284
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
       #16

    Iíve resigned myself to simply backing up and fresh-installing After a major Windows 10 release. Itís a PITA, but the system as a whole runs much better and the difference in time for me between the in place upgrade isnít terribly longer.

    If I wasnít into emulation retrogaming and modern PC gaming at home, Iíd probably have switched to Linux Mint long ago. Emulation is doable on Linux but PC gaming just isnít there yet.

    Linux has definitely has its own set of problems, but itís perfect when your needs are web, email, YouTube and Facebook. I recommend it for older people who routinely get infected.
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  7. Posts : 25,684
    Windows 11 Pro 22621.160
       #17

    vram said:
    I’ve resigned myself to simply backing up and fresh-installing After a major Windows 10 release. It’s a PITA, but the system as a whole runs much better and the difference in time for me between the in place upgrade isn’t terribly longer.

    If I wasn’t into emulation retrogaming and modern PC gaming at home, I’d probably have switched to Linux Mint long ago. Emulation is doable on Linux but PC gaming just isn’t there yet.

    Linux has definitely has its own set of problems, but it’s perfect when your needs are web, email, YouTube and Facebook. I recommend it for older people who routinely get infected.

    I have way too many programs other than windows apps to do that but it is in fact better.
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  8. Posts : 25,047
    10 Home x64 (21H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #18

    Josey Wales said:
    ...although I do use Classic Shell--Only the menu part of it.
    Yes, that one seemed one of the more benign shells, pity it's no longer being developed.

    I don't use it though, I've adapted to using the new Start, particularly the use of tiles and my own custom groups.
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  9. Posts : 25,684
    Windows 11 Pro 22621.160
       #19

    Bree said:
    Yes, that one seemed one of the more benign shells, pity it's no longer being developed.

    I don't use it though, I've adapted to using the new Start, particularly the use of tiles and my own custom groups.
    I saw no need to use CS's Explorer as I see nothing wrong with Windows 10 File Explorer and I would think that may have caused some issues.
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  10. Posts : 17,640
    Windows 10 Pro
       #20

    Bree said:
    On the other hand I've upgraded my machines with no problem at all, first from Win7 to 1507, then on through each subsequent version up to 1709. Where I've customised Start to my liking it's been done by working with the Microsoft OS, not fighting against it.
    Well said!


    Bree said:
    I don't use it though, I've adapted to using the new Start, particularly the use of tiles and my own custom groups.
    Today, occasionally using Windows 7 on virtual machines after been used to this excellent, adaptive, flexible and customizable Start in Windows 10, I notice the difference. I would not want to go back, I see no reason to use any third party Start alternatives.

    Of course I have to admit that when I install Windows 10, I do not start stopping services, editing DLLs, replacing system files and native tools as soon as I hit the desktop, which seems to be origin for most issues users are experiencing. This tweak does not work, that optimizer crashes Windows, another third party replacement for this or that Windows feature makes it unusable.

    Instead I let Windows take care of itself, update when necessary, don't mess with registry, services and policies. Even with some known issues with Insider builds, I've had no such issues that they would affect my daily usage. I've run the latest Fast Ring Insider builds as my main OS on all machines since first preview was released October 2014, being a very happy Windows 10 user and Insider, extremely satisfied with it.

    Kari
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