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  1.    20 Apr 2016 #11
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    Ruzzi, you have another thread on the forums asking basically the same questions about CPUs, overclocking and gaming experience. The i5-6600 or 6600K will play any game out, overclocking will not appreciably increase gaming performance. Nobody can tell you what will be on the market, hardware or games wise in 4 years. Nobody can give anything other than opinion on that. Quit worrying so much about the CPU. Most games are GPU bound. If you want better performance, get a better GPU.
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  2.    20 Apr 2016 #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
    Ruzzi, you have another thread on the forums asking basically the same questions about CPUs, overclocking and gaming experience. The i5-6600 or 6600K will play any game out, overclocking will not appreciably increase gaming performance. Nobody can tell you what will be on the market, hardware or games wise in 4 years. Nobody can give anything other than opinion on that. Quit worrying so much about the CPU. Most games are GPU bound. If you want better performance, get a better GPU.
    OK no problem. I'm just worried a bit since it'll be my 1st time building a desktop. I want to make sure everything works out ok.
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  3.    21 Apr 2016 #13
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    Desktop without a doubt for me. Having said that, this is pretty personal.

    I find a console pretty expensive in the long run. Games are overpriced, hardware gets outdated pretty fast (its already outdated when you buy it) and it can only serve one purpose: gaming.

    A desktop is more powerfull and has "endless" posibilities. Yes you pay more, but you get a hell of a lot more too.
    If you descide to quit gaming for whatever reason, you can still use your desktop for all other purposes. With a console, you can place it in a closset or sell it for a cheap price, that's about it.

    On PC the games are cheaper, espeacially when you buy your games from sites like G2A for example.

    There are disatvantages too, configuration is the biggest. Although Windows 10 is an easy to use OS, the chance on a bluescreen, crash or whatever is a lot bigger compared to a console. The installation of a game is harder, keeping your rig up-to-date requires more work and knowledge ... .

    As i said, it's a personal preference and choise. For me an obvious one, but i can imagine not for everyone.
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  4.    21 Apr 2016 #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruzzi View Post
    Makes sense. I guess I'll get a gaming desktop then.

    I got another question. I plan to buy an i5 processor with Nvidia 970 and 8GB ram. Should I get the clockable or non- clockable version of the i5? I ask because I got 2 concerns on it:

    1) Is there any difference between the non-clockable and clockable i5 in terms of gaming current and future games? Would I get the same gaming experience with a non-clockable i5 for future games?

    2) I'm on a budget. If I get the non-clockable i5, would I need to spend more on upgrading to another processor in the future? Is the i5 future proof for the next 4 years for gaming?
    1) sure there is a difference, but a big one? Or one that you'll trully notice? Propably not.
    I overclocked my i7-3770k 3.5Ghz to 4.4Ghz. But i did this more for the OC experience (and because i'm a geek/nerd) rather than the "immense" performance gain you'll get from this. Are you a computer minded person? Will you invest the time to figure out how to do an OC?

    An overlock will make your build more expensive as you'll need better cooling, so keep that in mind as wel.

    2) You can't predict this. I bought my I7-3770K four years ago and it's still a very good CPU and runs all games pretty smoothly.

    Having said that, the new CPU's are more powerful, use less power and as such generate less heat and are in general just better.
    But with each itteration you'll have that. They won't be making a CPU that's less than the one before, so you will always have to update after a certain amount of time.

    Ten or more years, a CPU was much more inportant for gaming than these days. Now most work is done by the GPU.
    So i would spend a dollar more on a GPU rather than a CPU. (if your main focus is on gaming).

    Nvidia will be releasing new, more powerfull GPU's next quarter (if i'm not mistaken).
    So maybe you'll wanna wait a bit and eighter get the newest stuff (that promise to be awesome) or you can buy the GPU's that are on the market now, for a cheaper price.

    An other aspect (purely for gaming) is your monitor. You are better of spending a few dollars more on a 120hz (or higher) monitor than you'll do on your K-series CPU. The experience of having that monitor outways your little bit faster cpu version by miles and miles.

    So stop focussing on the CPU, look at the broader picture.

    Anyway, just my two cents.

    Goodluck
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  5.    21 Apr 2016 #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeathStalker View Post
    There is at least three pages worth of free games on the steam site. That doesn't include the free games from Ubisoft AND EA.

    What is NOT free is your *xbox gold* subscription. I don't pay squat to use the games I own on Computer, you have to pay a fee every month.
    True enough, It's optional though, and it won't stop me from playing any games if I discontinue it. I'll still have my XBOX Live, it just won't be Gold. I get 30 gigs or OneDrive storage with it also so it's not like its money wasted. Truth be told, I wasn't going to sign up for it. My Wife and Daughter said, buy yourself a game for your XBOX for fathers day. My one year subscription was about what I would have spent on just the one game. It was 70 bucks Canadian. But now I have the option to get several free ones instead. I'll just take my chances on what free ones are offered. At 4 free games a month, odds are good I'll find at least one I'll like.
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  6.    21 Apr 2016 #16
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    Hi zztemp. I think you're right. I'll just get the non-overclockaable i5 6500. I'm planning to get the Nvidia 970 too.

    I just want to make sure I don't have to upgrade the CPU in 4 - 5 years from now. For gaming I think the i5 6500 will give me that future proof assurance.
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  7.    21 Apr 2016 #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruzzi View Post
    Hi zztemp. I think you're right. I'll just get the non-overclockaable i5 6500. I'm planning to get the Nvidia 970 too.

    I just want to make sure I don't have to upgrade the CPU in 4 - 5 years from now. For gaming I think the i5 6500 will give me that future proof assurance.
    i'm not gonna lie to you. after 5 years you will probably have to renew some parts (if not all), the cpu will probably be one of the them.
    you can and should not expect it to be top noch for 10 years. everything has its expire date. a console its life is stretched out by developing games that are seriously limited because of the old hardware they have to run on.

    i'm under the impression that you want to spent money once and from them on just want to keep cruising on.
    thats not a realistic expectation i'm afraid. even if you were to buy todays top i7 and gtx 980ti, in five years from now you wont be playing each and every ga'e on max settings. games evolve and by doing so need adequate hardware. i use the i7 and gtx 980ti so you can scale it down to what you are planning to buy

    im not trying to be an ass, just warning you about your expectations.


    edit

    having said that , the gtx 970 is an awesome card value-performance wise for TODAYS standards. but please know that this card was released in 2014. so in five years from now this technology is, well,...... ancient.

    again, not trying to be an ass. just trying to point out as to why your question about willing to make sure you,dont have to buy new hardware, five years from now is just unrealistic.
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  8.    21 Apr 2016 #18
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    Another way to look at "Future Proofing", which I don't believe there is any such thing, is to look at the 2008 rigs. Probably an equivalent rig to what you are looking at would be a Core 2 Dup or Core 2 Quad and maybe an 8800GT. How would that rig fare against the more demanding games today? By 2008 hardware standards, that would be considered an good gaming rig. By todays standards, I would suggest it could probably play most of today's games, but it would really struggle to play with Decent FPS and quality standards. Against the most demanding games today, I don't know.
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  9.    21 Apr 2016 #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by zztemp View Post
    i'm not gonna lie to you. after 5 years you will probably have to renew some parts (if not all), the cpu will probably be one of the them.
    you can and should not expect it to be top noch for 10 years.

    i'm under the impression that you want to spent money once and from them on just want to keep cruising on.
    thats not a realistic expectation i'm afraid.
    I agree with you completely. I know there's no such think as future proofing. I know at some point I'll have to upgrade parts.

    I don't want to buy a non-clockable CPU that in 2 years I may have to go through the hassle to spend to upgrade it.

    Thats why I was thinking of buying an over-clockable CPU like the i5 6600K. When future games start to demand more processing power, I'll just overclock the CPU to meet that processing power demand. Doing so will save me money from having to spend money on upgrading it for the next 4 - 5 years.
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  10.    22 Apr 2016 #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruzzi View Post
    I agree with you completely. I know there's no such think as future proofing. I know at some point I'll have to upgrade parts.

    I don't want to buy a non-clockable CPU that in 2 years I may have to go through the hassle to spend to upgrade it.

    Thats why I was thinking of buying an over-clockable CPU like the i5 6600K. When future games start to demand more processing power, I'll just overclock the CPU to meet that processing power demand. Doing so will save me money from having to spend money on upgrading it for the next 4 - 5 years.
    Yes, but now you know processing power is less important than GPU-power
    An overlock will not give you more dan 10-15 fps (best case). Again keep in mind if you were to buy a K-version, to get a good cooler.
    And know that an OC might shorten your CPU-life expectancy pretty severly (worst case).

    Intel Skylake: Core i5 6600K review Eurogamer.net

    An interesting article where they compare your CPU to others, with a focus on gaming performance.
    You'll find my I7 3770K in that list.
    The article states:

    Results show anything from a five to 15 per cent increase in performance compared to the Devil's Canyon i5 4690K, with the new i5 drawing close to the Ivy Bridge Core i7 3770K, but falling short of the last-gen i7 4790K in multi-threaded scenarios. Remember the key difference between the desktop i5 and its i7 counterparts - no hyper-threading. In synthetics and video encoding at least, clearly this makes a substantial difference, but the improvements to per-clock performance are far more important for gaming, as we'll see
    So your i5 has now caught up with my 4-years old i7 3770k that was released in 2Q of 2012.
    Imagine on those four years, how much the i7 will have improved, and we are talking about just 4 years!
    Having said that, i'm pretty satisfied with my 3770K, it was well worth its money, next year, i'll probably be upgrading.

    I hope you got a better understanding on how this market works and what you can and can not expect from it.
    If you want to stay "up-to-date" , PC-gaming is a fairly costly hobby.

    Goodluck with whatever you'll buy. Happy gaming.
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