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Mike speaking The Gospel
We all have different PC goals but it's safe to say what we are telling you is pretty much it isn't no secret formula 100%
share gaming tweaks and chec my comprehensive list will blow your mind
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New #32
Despite that is what many skeptics think, that is not actually true!Exactly all that for a extra 2fps and some ms that don't matter.
The best tweak is to use quality parts and keep everything within 2Gens of use
Proper scaled Ram /Proper CPU /Proper use of Bios functions for Up-clocking Ram Tweaking and Power Management go hand and hand.
All the tweaking in the OS will lead to other issues Windows 10 and 11 are already lite anyway if you choose to keep certain features off
Even with best possible hardware some things will cause same amount of lag, also you omit software component is important as well, which also has control over low level hardware... Also problem is when you have ultra fast mouse, but being hogged with hundreds of DPC latency, it won't feel good by the nature of being inconsistent!!!
Tweaks which play the biggest role:
- disabling DWM features, HID, ClearType + smooth edge of fonts, all visual effects. AA fonts (some of these tweaks were performed by pro gamers)
- using Windows8DPIScalling,
- DPC latency (which also hogs kernel): affects mainly consistency of mouse movement (also important for 8khz mice), you can tell difference between 50 and 250us (as it stacks over time)
- redundant drivers which come with Windows and are pre-installed on your PC, even if you don't own devices for them: slow kernel response time and can cause deadlocks and so on...
- chipset drivers, intel drivers, sound drivers cause huge lag (Microsoft OEM should be preferred)
- timer resolution
- USB mouse data packet buffering
- mouse smoothing
- dynamic tick
- disabling software components and disabling sleep state for devices in devmgr
- net frameworks
- disabling smoothing and GPU acceleration in CP/internet settings
and so on...
I meant in general for people to post their TWEAKS, but thanks for addition
Where did I write about XMP? Ctrl+f gave me 0 hits.
I saw RBG mentioned in context of color profile, where I don't think is even needed to explain what that means. As all you need to do, is try different profiles and choose the one which has best feel!
If you don't have thermal throttling (which I believe you are speaking about) temperature is irrelevant. I can add mention about thermal throttling with rest of information - as I could update that with hardware for 2022.
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New #33
This indeed provides a noticeable improvement, but honestly I would not want to look at XP's theme in 2022.
Besides for the ultimate performable gain, there is NTLite. My ntlited Windows 7 was using only 80MB RAM.
But NTLite requires a lot of attention, you have to reinstall Windows after every update and deal with issues.
As an example there is this custom Windows ReviOS, they even mention Brink in credits. :)
Revision - About
For other tweaks there is Hone Optimizer - Boost your performance!
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New #34
Here's the typo, no biggie but may be worth mentioning for clarity.Despite that is what many skeptics think, that is not actually true!
Even with best possible hardware some things will cause same amount of lag, also you omit software component is important as well, which also has control over low level hardware... Also problem is when you have ultra fast mouse, but being hogged with hundreds of DPC latency, it won't feel good by the nature of being inconsistent!!!
Tweaks which play the biggest role:
- disabling DWM features, HID, ClearType + smooth edge of fonts, all visual effects. AA fonts (some of these tweaks were performed by pro gamers)
- using Windows8DPIScalling,
- DPC latency (which also hogs kernel): affects mainly consistency of mouse movement (also important for 8khz mice), you can tell difference between 50 and 250us (as it stacks over time)
- redundant drivers which come with Windows and are pre-installed on your PC, even if you don't own devices for them: slow kernel response time and can cause deadlocks and so on...
- chipset drivers, intel drivers, sound drivers cause huge lag (Microsoft OEM should be preferred)
- timer resolution
- USB mouse data packet buffering
- mouse smoothing
- dynamic tick
- disabling software components and disabling sleep state for devices in devmgr
- net frameworks
- disabling smoothing and GPU acceleration in CP/internet settings
and so on...
I meant in general for people to post their TWEAKS, but thanks for addition
Where did I write about XMP? Ctrl+f gave me 0 hits.
I saw RBG mentioned in context of color profile, where I don't think is even needed to explain what that means. As all you need to do, is try different profiles and choose the one which has best feel!
If you don't have thermal throttling (which I believe you are speaking about) temperature is irrelevant. I can add mention about thermal throttling with rest of information - as I could update that with hardware for 2022.
I believe that HW and OS are equally important parts and having them both running in unison produces best results. Tweaking one and not the other doesn't give full results but every little thing Counts (excuse the pun).
As an old time (since Atari) overclocker finding sweet spots for everything is most important. Overclocking is pretty well dead now, manufacturers have found and implemented algorithms to balance performance and power requirements so OC doesn't produce results like it did in the past, AMD at least with Ryzen made OC almost impractical but BIOS-es are still not smart enough to set everything to it's best performance so it's still up to owner to tweak it for best practical performance. BIOS would have to be 10 times larger to take into account all differences in CPU, RAM and other parts.
Even the therm "Overclock" got blurred and may mean different things to different people. Is CPU OC pushing frequency above base speed or is it going over boost speed or setting all cores to above base speed or over boost clocks ? Is XMP actually just standard settings to get RAM at it's full declared speed or is it overclock (in case of DDR4) above usual base frequency of 2133MHz ? Those are all parts of "Tweaking" if you will.
What I posted is just example that may it may not in full or partly work for other systems.
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New #36
If you disable all visual effects all you lose: is transparency, animated minimalizing and maximalizing windows and when dragging windows seeing their content, you can enable that if you need too. All other settings are pretty much irrelevant.
If you care only about Direct 11 and reduced security, yeah Windows 7 is way to go! Or you can use ReviOS, which has also reduced security, but better than win7.
Overclocking CPU would still provide benefits in OLD/competitive games (that run on a single CORE) where you need crank every single FPS! Like CS GO (where input lag is tied to FPS - something how its engine works, or Starcraft 2 which gets further FPS indefinitely with increasing CPU/RAM frequency - because it is heavily single-core)!Hone.gg - seems like a scam honestly (2x fps boost from average reviews) + mixed feelings from reddit! I don't like these programs: you don't even know what it does...
Is XMP actually just standard settings to get RAM at it's full declared speed or is it overclock (in case of DDR4) above usual base frequency of 2133MHz ?
Also maybe it would have also some small effect on DPC latency and kernel responsiveness, since majority of systems processes are processed on core0. That's why some people untick Core0 from their games' affinities - tho I Am unsure if it is good thing to have interrupts being processed on other core, than on a core where your game is running!
XPM is taken as an overclock, Intel doesn't RMA CPU if you use XPM (but only if you tell them) which is stupid, given it is their technology... It was introduced in misleading terms...
I didn't even include WLAN in my guide, because you don't want game over WIFI, if you can help it!
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New #38
Doing all those extra things really is a waste for general experience.Despite that is what many skeptics think, that is not actually true!
Even with best possible hardware some things will cause same amount of lag, also you omit software component is important as well, which also has control over low level hardware... Also problem is when you have ultra fast mouse, but being hogged with hundreds of DPC latency, it won't feel good by the nature of being inconsistent!!!
Tweaks which play the biggest role:
- disabling DWM features, HID, ClearType + smooth edge of fonts, all visual effects. AA fonts (some of these tweaks were performed by pro gamers)
- using Windows8DPIScalling,
- DPC latency (which also hogs kernel): affects mainly consistency of mouse movement (also important for 8khz mice), you can tell difference between 50 and 250us (as it stacks over time)
- redundant drivers which come with Windows and are pre-installed on your PC, even if you don't own devices for them: slow kernel response time and can cause deadlocks and so on...
- chipset drivers, intel drivers, sound drivers cause huge lag (Microsoft OEM should be preferred)
- timer resolution
- USB mouse data packet buffering
- mouse smoothing
- dynamic tick
- disabling software components and disabling sleep state for devices in devmgr
- net frameworks
- disabling smoothing and GPU acceleration in CP/internet settings
and so on...
I meant in general for people to post their TWEAKS, but thanks for addition
Where did I write about XMP? Ctrl+f gave me 0 hits.
I saw RBG mentioned in context of color profile, where I don't think is even needed to explain what that means. As all you need to do, is try different profiles and choose the one which has best feel!
If you don't have thermal throttling (which I believe you are speaking about) temperature is irrelevant. I can add mention about thermal throttling with rest of information - as I could update that with hardware for 2022.
Tons of games are optimized to where you don't need to do all that if were talking competitive and supposedly most competitive play on 1080p so in general when you have a game running at 200-300+ frames and high refresh the most visible lag would be internet connection.
At the end of the day if this makes you feel like you gained something worth your time then so be it to me and this is just my opinion it's not worth the trouble you will not be able to see the gains or feel the gains sometimes you need to just enjoy what you got.
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New #39
Well that depends, many people hate Windows 10 feel and want to get closer to Windows 7, because DWM cannot be turned off on Windows 10, which is also more resources heavy and hogged with crap, also GUI takes more resources causing lag!
What concerns competitive gaming, that network latency has really nothing to do with your local input lag... You'll be able to click on things more precisely and faster! That are 2 separate things, but true majority of lag comes from that!
Also you want every advantage you can get on competitive gaming! Consistency and even small improvements make a lot of difference. I couldn't play CS GO untweaked, I wouldn't hit anything...
Things I listed are very important, the rest is less important. I also make this list, because it is not probably worth the time for average gamer to googling these, but since I know them already and I thought people will post their own tweaks as well...
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New #40
Thanks for your thread. I have made a batch script, which will do the following:
1. Disable Cleartype and Fontsmoothing
2. Stop Services (at the moment just hidserv)
3. Stop Background Programs (at the moment just TextInputHost.exe and SettingSyncHost.exe)
4. Change Windows Font without Antialiasing
5. Disable DWM
Tested on 21h1 and 21h2 with Csgo. I have also made a Revert.bat, because i only use this script when i play Csgo. Especially disabling DWM breaks a lot of functions in windows. If you are interested in testing it, i will send it to you.
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