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  1. Joined : Oct 2013
    Penns Forrest
    Posts : 3,506
    Win_8.1-Pro, Win_10.1607-Pro, Mint_17.3
       25 Jul 2015 #11

    Lebon14 said: View Post
    .....
    My experience is the total opposite. I've got only problems using Windows Update drivers. Drivers directly from the manufacturer is what I'm sticking to.
    Win8 was the first Windows where MS really took control of the drivers supplied by the OEM (MS supplied a base driver, but the driver WU supplied always came form the OEM).

    Win7 is good at this, but paraphrasing what you said there were often problems with WU supplied drivers.
    Win8 is nearly perfect when supplying drivers through WU.
    Win10 is as good as Win8, but ... the OEMs might not be up-to-date. Throughout the Win10 Preview, there have been issues with drivers as OEMs and Microsoft worked through the issues.

    There's no reason you cannot use the OEM supplied driver - but give Win10 a chance to change your mind. Let Windows provide the drivers first, then only if there are issues, go to the OEM. Sometimes we form bad habits, at least I do, it took me a while to be convinced that Win7 would provide the necessary drivers, and you're right ... it didn't always.

    Then I upgraded to Win8 - found it to be superior in this area (drivers) and never looked back, although I maintain that if there are issues then you should check the OEM driver to see if that helps resolve the issue. I think we are like-minded except ... I've seen Win8 and Win10 do good things with respect to drivers.

    I'm not trying to convince you of anything, just offering a suggestion.
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  2. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 104
    Windows 7 x64 HP
       25 Jul 2015 #12

    @Slartybart Let's make it my "last resort" option. If there aren't any drivers directly from the manufacturer, then, I'll get Win10 WU drivers.

    Funny thing: When I explored the Win7 image creating tool, I ran into the problem that I couldn't desactivate my G:\ drive (1TB Blue WD HDD). I went to see the "Manage" section of Computer and saw the partition settings. Then it jumped at me: my G:\ drive was the "System" drive (which probably slowed down my PC's boot by a lot). After a bit of digging, I discovered BCDBoot from here

    So, I had to do this command to move it from G:\ to C:\ :
    Code:
    bcdboot c:\windows /s c:
    The only downside to this is that I lost the wonderful Windows 7 logo animation at boot. I see "Starting Windows" (It was in French before) of the normal Win7 animation but quickly turn to the Vista progress bar one. Then, my desktop appears almost instantly. (Because SSDs are awesome like that - Even though mine is a SATA 3Gbps one).

    Well, anyway.
    I won't reserve my copy right now. I will need to read some feedback before going for the upgrade.

    So, yeah.
    Cheers.
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  3. Joined : Jun 2015
    Posts : 130
    Windows 8.1 Pro
       25 Jul 2015 #13

    Lebon14 said: View Post
    The only downside to this is that I lost the wonderful Windows 7 logo animation at boot. I see "Starting Windows" (It was in French before) of the normal Win7 animation but quickly turn to the Vista progress bar one. Then, my desktop appears almost instantly. (Because SSDs are awesome like that - Even though mine is a SATA 3Gbps one).
    This maybe because "No GUI Boot" in selected under the Boot tab in the System Configuration aka MSConfig, SSD's are not that fast unless combined with UEFI fast boot in which case I don't think the BIOS on your motherboard is UEFI capable.
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  4. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 104
    Windows 7 x64 HP
       26 Jul 2015 #14

    Nemix said: View Post
    This maybe because "No GUI Boot" in selected under the Boot tab in the System Configuration aka MSConfig, SSD's are not that fast unless combined with UEFI fast boot in which case I don't think the BIOS on your motherboard is UEFI capable.
    That option is not checked, btw. Indeed, my motherboard is in the last generation of the BIOS. So, yeah, still have the gold ol' BIOS.
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  5. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 104
    Windows 7 x64 HP
       27 Jul 2015 #15

    Looking at Intel's "Latest Chipset Driver" page, it doesn't even support X58 (Core i-family 1st Gen) chipset. So, I'm back to square one.
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  6. Joined : May 2015
    Posts : 1,372
    Win 10 14393.51
       27 Jul 2015 #16

    Lebon14 said: View Post
    Looking at Intel's "Latest Chipset Driver" page, it doesn't even support X58 (Core i-family 1st Gen) chipset. So, I'm back to square one.
    Just out of curiosity, I checked Gigabyte's web site. If you have Rev. 1.0 of the GA-X58A-UD3R, BIOS F7L adds support for 3GB hard drives. I wonder whether that one, or the latest (F8A), provide some sort of EFI/GPT support. (GPT is normally required to support drives larger than 3GB, although work-arounds exist.)

    As regards your X58 Express chipset, it's likely that the list Intel provides for their newest drivers isn't comprehensive. If you believe:

    Intel Chipset Software Installation 10.1.1.8 WHQL Download

    your chipset is supported.

    Maybe you are over-thinking this. Why not just image your current OS, and install a preview version of Win10? (Preferably 10240.) Between the drivers included with the OS install, those available from Windows Update (NOT written by MS, just distributed through them), and Win 8.1 drivers from the device makers (if no explicit Win10 drivers are available), you may get all that you need, at the cost of some time. You system was high-end a few years ago, and I hope that it wouldn't be orphaned now.
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  7. Joined : Jun 2015
    Posts : 130
    Windows 8.1 Pro
       27 Jul 2015 #17

    Holy cow, that sucks and Intel sucks for not caring to provide support for older hardware on Windows 10 (these people are potentially future Intel consumers).

    Should be fairly easy for them to update and include ICH10 chipset drivers in the latest chipset drivers package, I thought this was the case.

    Hopefully they get a working driver for Windows 10 on their update soon, I hate having to wait for drivers and even then they can still turn out to be buggy (just some recent memories of Windows 8.1 and Intel's 2nd gen IGP drivers).
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  8. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 104
    Windows 7 x64 HP
       27 Jul 2015 #18

    @bobkn Well, look at that. Buuuuut... that's not an official Intel webpage which I would avoid downloading drivers from. No, I won't install a preview. I'll do it by the upgrade so my licence has the added rights for Win10. I just don't want to install the gazillion software you see above. Oh and, my board is the regular old BIOS. That just added a BIOS update for drives over 3TB for boot and that's it. Since my boot drive is 90GB, I don't need it. Intel Core i7 2nd-gen onward introduced UEFI/EFI. I got the last generation of BIOS...


    @Nemix Yes, it sucks of them not even acknowledging that chipset. Those Core i7 is pretty infamous in the Overclocking community as overclocking monsters too. Mine is not even overclocked but some people would OC it to 4.5-5GHz easily. But I digress.

    Still looking for official drivers for my chipset where Intel officially states support for X58.

    EDIT

    On the Guru3D page's comments, there was somebody that said "Crashed for me on X58". Yep.
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  9. Joined : May 2015
    Posts : 1,372
    Win 10 14393.51
       27 Jul 2015 #19

    Lebon14 said: View Post
    @bobkn Well, look at that. Buuuuut... that's not an official Intel webpage which I would avoid downloading drivers from. No, I won't install a preview. I'll do it by the upgrade so my licence has the added rights for Win10. I just don't want to install the gazillion software you see above. Oh and, my board is the regular old BIOS. That just added a BIOS update for drives over 3TB for boot and that's it. Since my boot drive is 90GB, I don't need it. Intel Core i7 2nd-gen onward introduced UEFI/EFI. I got the last generation of BIOS...


    @Nemix Yes, it sucks of them not even acknowledging that chipset. Those Core i7 is pretty infamous in the Overclocking community as overclocking monsters too. Mine is not even overclocked but some people would OC it to 4.5-5GHz easily. But I digress.

    Still looking for official drivers for my chipset where Intel officially states support for X58.

    EDIT

    On the Guru3D page's comments, there was somebody that said "Crashed for me on X58". Yep.
    I looked again. The BIOS updates for the board are all smaller than 1MB. They must not be UEFI.

    I'm not stubborn enough to resurrect my old Asus P6T Deluxe based system and see how well it likes Build 10240.

    Did you reserve the Win 10 update online? If memory serves, you are only approved for that if your hardware passes a compatibility check. If you are sufficiently compulsive that may not be good enough for you, but at least you'd probably get no yellow exclamation marks in Device Manager if you passed that check.
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  10. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 104
    Windows 7 x64 HP
       27 Jul 2015 #20

    bobkn said: View Post
    Did you reserve the Win 10 update online? If memory serves, you are only approved for that if your hardware passes a compatibility check. If you are sufficiently compulsive that may not be good enough for you, but at least you'd probably get no yellow exclamation marks in Device Manager if you passed that check.
    I did not reserve it yet. I want to see feedback from people doing the upgrade. Also, my dad's laptop's signed up. So, I can see for myself when he spots the update being ready. (He'll probably call me about it...)

    Here's a screenshot (in French) of the check the GWX does...:


    As you can see, there's no problems. My problem is "Can I secure drivers for everything separately?". The only stubborn thing seems to be Intel's Chipset driver.
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