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  1.    20 Jun 2017 #11
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    Hi,

    Then you'd need a M.2 to PCIe adaptor board.

    BTW the Z78 chipset should be capable of PCIe booting. Sorry for the confusion I caused.

    Cheers,
    Last edited by fdegrove; 20 Jun 2017 at 13:24.
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  2.    20 Jun 2017 #12
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    even If we boot M.2 via PCIe using adapter

    then we have to install software-driver to use such SSD at full throttle
    since it is mention on Samsung , Toshiba and other website
    without Samsung's Magician software 960 EVO and 960 Pro card will only reach to 520-600 MB speed only
    such speed can be easily achieved by Samsung 850 Pro via SATA port without software

    so I and Swarfega want such expensive PCIe adapter power M.2 SSD on Z87 Motherboard
    with full speed
    Manufacturers MAGICIAN software must detect and install it on Win 10 PRO , i7-4770k , Z87 motherboard high end

    those manufacturers must let us install MAGICIA spftware on Z87 m\board with i7-4770k
    samsung says it support M.2 SSD from HASWELL REFRESH Intel processors
    but they also didnot mention about PCIe SATA SSD M.2

    is there is anyone who test it PCIe (M.2 SSD) on 4th generation intel HASWELL processors
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  3.    21 Jun 2017 #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by swarfega View Post
    My z87 motherboard does not have a physical m.2 slot.

    here is proof from Z87 Deluxe Motherboard manual from ASUS
    it support booting from PCIE slot

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    i m contacting ASUS support and Samsung
    to final Evo 960 Pro
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  4.    21 Jun 2017 #14
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    Be aware that If you want to use an NVMe drive like that of the Samsung 950 Pro, you'll need an NVMe adapter connected to a PCIE port. This will cause the NVMe drive to run at the slower speed of the PCIE port.
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  5.    21 Jun 2017 #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
    Be aware that If you want to use an NVMe drive like that of the Samsung 950 Pro, you'll need an NVMe adapter connected to a PCIE port. This will cause the NVMe drive to run at the slower speed of the PCIE port.
    As far as I know, there is no such thing as an NVMe port. NVMe drives run on regular PCI-E interfaces. The M.2 slot is just a different physical form factor for PCI-E.

    High-end (expensive) NVMe SSDs mount in regular PCI-E slots. That's particularly true for drives intended for servers.
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  6.    21 Jun 2017 #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobkn View Post
    As far as I know, there is no such thing as an NVMe port. NVMe drives run on regular PCI-E interfaces. The M.2 slot is just a different physical form factor for PCI-E.

    High-end (expensive) NVMe SSDs mount in regular PCI-E slots. That's particularly true for drives intended for servers.
    True, to a point but NVMe drives still require an M.2 slot. That M.2 port runs at PCIE Gen 3 x4, faster than a regular PCIE port, up to 32Gb/s.
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  7.    21 Jun 2017 #17
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    see this its true NVME necessity in adapters

    HYPER M.2 X4 MINI CARD | Motherboard Accessories | ASUS United Kingdom


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    people only buy adapters carefully
    NVMe must be mention in it on adapters
    otherwise RAPID Mode may not work , i think so

    cheers
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  8.    21 Jun 2017 #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by PratikUnleashed View Post
    NVMe must be mention in it on adapters otherwise RAPID Mode may not work , i think so
    Rapid Mode is not supported on NVMe drives...

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  9.    21 Jun 2017 #19
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    Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
    True, to a point but NVMe drives still require an M.2 slot. That M.2 port runs at PCIE Gen 3 x4, faster than a regular PCIE port, up to 32Gb/s.

    If the Mobo has a PCIe slot that is Gen 3.0 and supports 4 lanes or more then it does not make any difference whether you connect the NVMe drive to the M.2 slot or mount it via an adaptor in the proper PCIe slot.
    In fact, coolingwise you're likely better of going for a passively cooled adaptor.


    I have a Patriot NVMe drive that heats the entire PC, not energy efficient at all as it runs at 60 degrees C even when it's just idling. On top of that it is cooled, without it it idles at over 70 degrees C.
    Guess I'm going to stick it on an Aquacomputer card which comes with impressive cooling and outstanding quality.

    Cheers,
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  10.    21 Jun 2017 #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
    True, to a point but NVMe drives still require an M.2 slot. That M.2 port runs at PCIE Gen 3 x4, faster than a regular PCIE port, up to 32Gb/s.
    Sorry, no. There are NVMe drives intended for regular PCI-E slots. The ones for servers may not be available at all in M.2.

    Here's an example:

    https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...-aic-20nm.html

    (First Intel consumer grade NVMe SSD. Interface is PCI-E X4, gen 3.)

    The chipset and BIOS must support NVMe in order for that mode to function, even though you can insert such a card in older X4, X8, or X16 slots. I'm not sure, but I believe that an NVME SSD can operate on a non-NVMe board. I wouldn't be surprised if the performance loss was trivial (for non-server applications).

    I'm not sure why you say that an M.2 Gen 3 X4 interface is faster than a regular PCI-E slot. They are the same (if Gen 3 X4). Same specs.

    If you have the slots, a PCI-E NVMe card (not M.2) would be preferable if you intend to make heavy use of it. The cooling on the M.2 cards isn't the best, so thermal throttling may occur to keep the card from overheating.
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