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  1.    10 Jun 2017 #11
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    I'm taking a look at rufus and MCT.
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  2.    10 Jun 2017 #12
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    Forever West
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    I would just add that cloning is making an exact copy of the original, just like the cloned sheep. Whatever partition/s exists on the original will also exist on the copy regardless of the second drive being larger or not.

    I also found out the other day with a 'clean' install that because a full partition already existed on a drive the Win10 install did not change the partitioning one iota, has no other partitions added to the drive. So the meaning of clean should mean putting the drive back to its factory-delivered condition using whatever manner that can accomplish that, I frequently rely on the free GPARTED bootable CD or a free bootable Linux Mint DVD.
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  3.    10 Jun 2017 #13
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    Again, there is absolutely no need to use anything more than what Microsoft provides. They have a very simple, small tool that downloads Windows 10 and makes a universally compatible USB flash drive with just a couple clicks. The flash drive that simple tool makes has the capability to completely erase the SSD or HDD before Windows 10 is installed.

    Wow... 1. Use something to download the ISO file with.... which is probably going to be the Microsoft Media Creation Tool anyway.
    2. Use Rufus to make the USB flash drive from the ISO file.
    3. Make another USB flash drive or DVD with GPARTED bootable or Linux Mint.
    4. Boot to GPARTED or Linux Mint to erase the SSD.
    5. Reboot to the Windows 10 USB flash drive and hope that you got all the settings in rufus correct for it to boot correctly and into the correct mode for the computer (UEFI v. BIOS)
    6. Manually create a small partition to install Windows 10 to.
    7. Finally install Windows 10.
    8. Then increase the size of the partition you installed Windows 10 to because 20GB isn't big enough to allow any future upcoming major updates to Windows 10 to install (not to mention installing your own programs that you want to run).

    OR

    1. Download the Media Creation Tool directly from Microsoft. A couple mouse clicks and you have a universally compatible USB flash drive that will boot into UEFI mode on a UEFI computer and legacy BIOS mode on a legacy BIOS computer.
    2. Boot computer from the single USB flash drive created.
    3. A few simple commands in a command prompt Window or a few mouse clicks to completely erase the SSD.
    4. Install Windows 10 to the erased SSD. No need to even reboot between erasing SSD and starting the install.

    I know which procedure I use.....
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  4.    10 Jun 2017 #14
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    W10 pro x64 and W8.1 x86

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Thorne View Post
    Thank you everyone. That is very helpful. I will go for the clean install.
    Excellent. Its well worth doing and hopefully Windows will pick up all the required drivers. When the install is complete, just wait a few minutes before diving in. You will probably find it asks for a restart to finalise driver installations.

    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Then in regards to partitioning your SSD for installing Windows, I disagree with making your own partition for it. Once you boot from the Windows 10 installation USB there is a simple procedure to completely erase the SSD. Then just select the empty, erased SSD to install Windows 10 to and let Windows set it up the way it wants to. Then after Windows 10 is all set up, if you want a separate data partition then you can shrink the Windows partition to make room for it. If you don't want the data partition, then you will be good to go to just leave it alone the way Windows sets it up.
    I take a different view here (hope this doesn't confuse the issue for Mike).

    To not set a reasonable partition size right at the start means that you can end up in the situation we had a few days ago where someone clean installed and was then unable to shrink the partition down by as much as they wanted. This is because any files created by the installation are classed as 'unmovable' and if they happen to be way out on the disk then that position sets the limits on how small you can come back down to.

    I set a size of just 20Gb initially, and once W10 is installed you should find the whole installation is only around 10Gb from memory. Then expand and create your partitions as desired.

    Post #6 here shows the idea:
    Impossible to clean install win 10 from usb or Iso on formatted drive Solved - Windows 10 Forums
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  5.    10 Jun 2017 #15
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    @Mooly,

    So I did some testing. I will state that it appeared that as long as all the partition manipulations were done on the screen after selecting the Custom Install option that lists drives and partitions, that if the user uses that screen to create a smaller partition to install Windows 10 to, the result is the same partition order as if the user installed Windows 10 to a completely unallocated drive.

    If the user does want a separate partition for data, then creating the smaller partition first is a very viable way to do it. The only thing the user wants to make sure of is that they have the OS partition size set for the size they want before they create their data partition later behind it.

    If the user wants to create a data partition after they have installed Windows and the OS partition is filling up the remainder of the drive - MiniTool Partition Wizard Free, and numerous other partitioning programs, will shrink the OS partition and move the "unmovable" files out of the way to do so. But doing it your way does eliminate the need for third party programs which was what I was mostly "complaining" about in my previous posts :-).

    However, if the user does not want a data partition, then I don't see any reason to create the smaller partition for Windows first.
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  6.    10 Jun 2017 #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    So three of us agree on the clean install. Now for the disagreements.

    I would not use rufus to create a bootable Windows 10 installation USB flash drive with. It is completely unnecessary and has many settings that must be set correctly by the user and in the correct order. Many threads on here ask "Why doesn't my USB flash drive boot?" and the majority of those flash drives have been created incorrectly with rufus. Just download the Windows 10 Media Creation Tool (MCT) and let it create the USB flash drive for you. It will create a flash drive that is bootable in both UEFI and legacy BIOS.
    Download Windows 10

    Even if you want to save the ISO file and manually create the USB flash drive, rufus is still completely unnecessary and involves needless complicated settings. A few diskpart commands will get you the exact same USB flash drive the Windows 10 MCT would give you.

    Then in regards to partitioning your SSD for installing Windows, I disagree with making your own partition for it. Once you boot from the Windows 10 installation USB there is a simple procedure to completely erase the SSD. Then just select the empty, erased SSD to install Windows 10 to and let Windows set it up the way it wants to. Then after Windows 10 is all set up, if you want a separate data partition then you can shrink the Windows partition to make room for it. If you don't want the data partition, then you will be good to go to just leave it alone the way Windows sets it up.

    If you choose to do the clean install, that is the perfect time to make sure your SATA drive controller is set to AHCI mode in UEFI/BIOS. That will definitely affect performance, and is much better to use than IDE mode.
    Two of us agree here. I also prefer to go with simple rather than complicated, especially when it comes to those who may not be quite so literate when it comes to PC's. In this case simple works best and leaves the complications of unnecessary procedures for the more advanced individual.

    Start with the simple, move from there.
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