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  1. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 121
    Windows 10 Pro
       3 Weeks Ago #81

    mck said: View Post
    I personally don't mind connecting the power cable to USB3 adapter (Product-1) since it is just a one time thing when installing the card. It will insure that adequate power is available to all four ports on the USB3 card. A caveat is that when removing and reinstalling the card later on, one can forget to connect the power cable to the card and then think the card is not working (don't ask me how I know that) but one only forgets to do that one time .

    Product-2 should work fine for all of your USB devices unless you happen to connect multiple devices that do not have their own a/c power adapter, like hard drives that depend on the USB cable for power, or external CD/DVD drives that have two USB cables, one for signal and one for power, and similar devices. Should be fine for multiple USB flash drives as they use minimal power from the computer's USB ports.

    Products 1 & 2 use different USB3 controller chips on the card. AFAIK Product-1 uses the Fresco Logic chipset while Product-2 uses the Renasas/NEC chipset. Some folks prefer the Renasas/NEC chipset but I've seen user praise and complaints for both chipsets. If you like Product-2, then I would say it will be fine to go with it.

    mck
    Thank you again mck.


    Product-2 should work fine for all of your USB devices unless you happen to connect multiple devices that do not have their own a/c power adapter, like hard drives that depend on the USB cable for power, or external CD/DVD drives that have two USB cables, one for signal and one for power, and similar devices. Should be fine for multiple USB flash drives as they use minimal power from the computer's USB ports.
    If I can get a little more clarification on why wouldn't these devices work fine on product 2, with or without a a/c power adapter? That would be helpful. If I were to plug-in the device into product 2 that doesn't have their own a/c power adapter, would they not work? Just function not as good as the opposite? Not as fast? etc.


    Going back to this. My motherboard say's that the expansion slots are PCI or PCI-E 2.0, does that 2.0 cause compatibility issues with any devices especially any devices that I might purchase we have discussed here. I know you mentioned that I could put those cards in, but I just want to make sure here because I don't think we discussed this one. Thank you!

    How come they don't make PCI cards in USB 3.0? They seem to favor making PCI-E 3.0 cards.

    Any thoughts about not having a drive in sleep mode and if it will reduce the lifespan of the product etc.?

    Thank you for everything mck.
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  2. Joined : Oct 2016
    Posts : 38
    Windows 10 Home
       3 Weeks Ago #82

    mck said: View Post
    I personally don't mind connecting the power cable to USB3 adapter (Product-1) since it is just a one time thing when installing the card. It will insure that adequate power is available to all four ports on the USB3 card. A caveat is that when removing and reinstalling the card later on, one can forget to connect the power cable to the card and then think the card is not working (don't ask me how I know that) but one only forgets to do that one time .
    mrje1 said: View Post
    If I can get a little more clarification on why wouldn't these devices work fine on product 2, with or without a a/c power adapter? That would be helpful. If I were to plug-in the device into product 2 that doesn't have their own a/c power adapter, would they not work? Just function not as good as the opposite? Not as fast? etc.
    All USB2 or USB3 devices should work with product-2.

    Where the "maybe" comes in is when multiple USB devices that draw more power to spin motors (and do not have a power cable to them from an a/c power adapter, also known as a wall wart) "might" tax the power capabilities of a USB3 card that gets all of its power from the PCIe connector. Say a user has two external USB3 hard drives that gets their power from the USB connector that's plugged into ports 1 and 2 of the USB3 PCIe card. The user also has an external CD/DVD drive plugged into ports 3 & 4 of the card. (External CD/DVD drives often have two USB cables. One for the USB signals and power + a second USB cable just to add additional power for the motor) ----- So now the user has two hard drives spinning all the time and when he uses the CD/DVD drive, there's a load of three motors spinning on the USB3 PCIe card. That plus the power used to drive the electronics of all three devices. All of that power has to come from the small contacts of the USB3 PCIe card connector plugged into the motherboard's PCIe slot. That "may" be a marginal condition for the PCIe slot's contacts.

    On the other hand, if the USB3 PCIe card has an additional power connector on it, it gets the power directly from the PC's power supply and there's no strain on the motherboard's PCIe slot connector contacts.

    The Inateck docking station gets its power from an a/c power adapter so there is no power drain on the USB connector to spin the motor in the hard drive. So one could install four docking stations on product-2 with four drive motors spinning all the time with no ill effects at all. Similarly, USB flash drives don't have motors so their power drain on the USB connector is minimal. So one could plug in four USB flash drives in product-2 with no ill effects.

    Examples of external hard drives that get all of their power from the USB connector are the Western Digital passport series hard drives. I have a Buffalo DVSM-PC58U2VB portable DVD drive that gets all of its power from two USB cables. You can google it to see what I mean.

    Going back to this. My motherboard say's that the expansion slots are PCI or PCI-E 2.0, does that 2.0 cause compatibility issues with any devices especially any devices that I might purchase we have discussed here. I know you mentioned that I could put those cards in, but I just want to make sure here because I don't think we discussed this one. Thank you!
    The 2.0 of the PCIe slot refers to the version number. PCIe 1x slots: Version 1.0 has a data xfer rate of 250 MB/sec. Version 2.0 has a data xfer rate of 500 MB/sec. Version 3.0 has a data xfer rate of 984.6 MB/sec. See the specs here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

    How come they don't make PCI cards in USB 3.0? They seem to favor making PCI-E 3.0 cards.
    See the link above.
    EDIT: I just realized what your question was. You are correct that USB3 adapter cards overwhelmingly use the PCIe slots. That's because PCI is an obsolete technology anymore. But they do have PCI to USB3 cards like this one that's sold at Newegg:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-359-_-Product

    Any thoughts about not having a drive in sleep mode and if it will reduce the lifespan of the product etc.?
    I never worry about life span of hard drives by not using sleep mode. It's WAY WAY more important to me to have hard drives respond instantly whenever I want to use them. I just HATE IT when I want to use a hard drive and have to wait for it to spin the motors up and get ready for use. I never use sleep mode for any hard drive. ---- I do use moving screen savers for my monitor but don't put my monitors to sleep either.

    Thank you for everything mck.
    Welcome. Glad to help.
    mck
    Last edited by mck; 3 Weeks Ago at 21:22.
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  3. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 121
    Windows 10 Pro
       3 Weeks Ago #83

    @mck,

    Thank you so much for this wonderful information and clarifications. I really appreciate your time. One more thing on the powerless USB card. The power drain that is occurring from the devices without a/c adapter using the USB card without power, I am assuming the worst possible outcome for the device using the card is that the speed gets tapped or the device just works slower etc.?

    I am thinking that it is probably safest to buy the USB Card with power, but I will make my final decision on Black Friday.
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  4. Joined : Oct 2016
    Posts : 38
    Windows 10 Home
       3 Weeks Ago #84

    mrje1 said: View Post
    @mck,

    Thank you so much for this wonderful information and clarifications. I really appreciate your time. One more thing on the powerless USB card. The power drain that is occurring from the devices without a/c adapter using the USB card without power, I am assuming the worst possible outcome for the device using the card is that the speed gets tapped or the device just works slower etc.?
    My view (with no personal experience to verify it since I never bought a product-2 type PCIe USB card) is that the worst outcome from drawing too much power from the PCIe USB3 card is that the contact(s) in the motherboard's PCIe slot supplying the power could run hot and gradually ruin the power contact(s) in the motherboard's slot. But I don't think that would be a problem for you. Just buy docking stations that get their power from an a/c power adapter. Then you won't run into the power overload problem. If you do connect one USB device with a motor (like an external DVD drive) that gets all of its power from the USB card, it won't cause any problems.

    I am thinking that it is probably safest to buy the USB Card with power, but I will make my final decision on Black Friday.
    See my response above. With that in mind, I think the product-2 card (as well as the product-1 card) will work fine for you.
    mck
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  5. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 121
    Windows 10 Pro
       3 Weeks Ago #85

    Thank you mck! It looks like I am all set on that front. I can't think of anything to ask. Anything else I will definitely ask away! I hope your day went well!
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  6.    3 Weeks Ago #86

    mrje1 said: View Post
    Hey Everybody,

    I should have posted this awhile ago so I am sorry. I had so much going on. I have some diagnostic information from CrystalDiskInfo to share about my corrupted hard drives. Let me know your thoughts or any other possible ways to make this accessible before I format it. I have to learn how to read those number. Thank you again!

    FIRST ONE

    Attachment 109991




    SECOND ONE IS THE ONE THAT WAS TURNED INTO A RAW DRIVE

    Attachment 109992
    Hardware is fine - the problem is 'most certainly software related. If chkdsk doesn't fix it, I doubt very much a third party recovery tool will.. here I'm thinking recuva, undelete etc...

    Those disks are fine to format and reuse, however..
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  7. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 121
    Windows 10 Pro
       3 Weeks Ago #87

    Superfly said: View Post
    Hardware is fine - the problem is 'most certainly software related. If chkdsk doesn't fix it, I doubt very much a third party recovery tool will.. here I'm thinking recuva, undelete etc...

    Those disks are fine to format and reuse, however..
    Thank you Superfly! Well, the good news is at least I was able to recover some of my files from EaseUS Data Recovery. I still wasn't able to go through all of them yet, so I am hoping all of them are there. The few directories I went through there were some files missing and some I found in other locations. Will see if I lost them all. At least I learned my lesson and I will change my backup method to something like image backups so if something like this happens again I will be prepared.

    Good to hear that I can reuse these hard drives. By looking at the S.M.A.R.T information does it show any signs that my hard drives are going bad or do you think these will be good to go for years to come? Any future concerns? Do you have any sources I can go to so I can learn more about the S.M.A.R.T Information? I will also do a google search as well etc.

    Thank you again!
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  8. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 121
    Windows 10 Pro
       2 Weeks Ago #88

    @mck or anyone,

    I have a list of internal and external hard drives Amazon. Would love to know what your input is on them. I was thinking on the WD Blue for internal and the My Book for External I am getting both styles. Thank you for any help you can give.

    EXTERNAL DRIVES

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E3RH63A...I10FTTR5KHC0RS

    or

    https://www.amazon.com/Book-Desktop-...dp_ob_title_ce

    INTERNAL DRIVES
    Something in the list here

    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...nal+hdd+drives

    More towards the blue and @mck I know you go for green, but they don't sell those anymore except third party which I am not sure if I trust.

    or

    I will pick another brand that's price is cheap because for backups I heard you don't need the best drive. So I might by one that is in the $40 range.


    Let me know your thoughts and thank you so much again for your time and help.
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  9. Joined : Oct 2016
    Posts : 38
    Windows 10 Home
       2 Weeks Ago #89

    mrje1 said: View Post
    @mck or anyone,

    I have a list of internal and external hard drives Amazon. Would love to know what your input is on them. I was thinking on the WD Blue for internal and the My Book for External I am getting both styles. Thank you for any help you can give.

    EXTERNAL DRIVES

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E3RH63A...I10FTTR5KHC0RS

    or

    https://www.amazon.com/Book-Desktop-...dp_ob_title_ce
    I will bow out of this one since I only buy docking stations and bare drives as external drives.


    INTERNAL DRIVES
    Something in the list here

    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...nal+hdd+drives

    More towards the blue and @mck I know you go for green, but they don't sell those anymore except third party which I am not sure if I trust.
    No, I don't recommend getting a WD green drive for an internal drive as they are 5400 rpm. I only buy 7200 rpm drives for my internal drives.

    or
    I will pick another brand that's price is cheap because for backups I heard you don't need the best drive. So I might by one that is in the $40 range.
    Let me know your thoughts and thank you so much again for your time and help.
    I recommend using "external" drives for backups, not using internal drives for backups. Also recommend buying 3TB minimum as a backup drive. I like 5400 rpm drives for backups since they run cooler and there's no need for speed when doing backups.

    mck
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  10. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 121
    Windows 10 Pro
       2 Weeks Ago #90

    @mck

    mck said: View Post
    I will bow out of this one since I only buy docking stations and bare drives as external drives.
    No problem mck. You did mention this before.

    No, I don't recommend getting a WD green drive for an internal drive as they are 5400 rpm. I only buy 7200 rpm drives for my internal drives.

    I recommend using "external" drives for backups, not using internal drives for backups. Also recommend buying 3TB minimum as a backup drive. I like 5400 rpm drives for backups since they run cooler and there's no need for speed when doing backups.
    I might of have been confused or misread your post back earlier in this thread. I thought you meant 5400 for any type HDD whether internal or external.

    Also, you mentioned that you buy the WD Greens because they were on sale. I guess I assumed you thought they were ok.

    Also, you said "My backup drives are the 1" thick hard drives so they fit in the docking station nicely. (The thin hard drives will also fit but I prefer the 1" thick ones.)" I know that dockings stations only fit internal HDD'S AND SSD'S and that told me you use internals with a dockings station for backups. The post was on page 4. If you can clarify because I am now confused. I am purchasing these things tomorrow. Thank you mck!
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