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  1. Posts : 173
    Windows 10 Pro
       #21

    Superfetch is nothing like SSD caching, Superfetch only caches most frequently used programs after a fresh start of Windows and is very limited is it's caching scheme even with 16GB of memory installed it doesn't seem to cache over 8GB.

    Whereas SSD caching saves cache into the SSD and does not need to to re-cache the files after every reboot of Windows plus with better SSD caching software you can customize the cache size depending of big your SSD cache drive is and which programs and games to be cached, also SSD caching improves reads and writes speeds for transferring of files which Superfetch cannot do.

    Don't confuse Superfetch with SSD cache or Hybrid SSHD hard drives (which are limited to small SSD for caching), in the future when mechanical drives are obsolete and SSD's are really cheap this won't be a problem but currently even until the next Windows after Windows 10 gets publicly released mechanical drives will still play a big role for a cheaper solution to huge storage space in PC's only downfall is it's slow; this is the situation is which SSD caching shines the best.
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  2. Posts : 65
    W10 B10135
       #22

    Nemix said:
    Superfetch is nothing like SSD caching, Superfetch only caches most frequently used programs after a fresh start of Windows and is very limited is it's caching scheme even with 16GB of memory installed it doesn't seem to cache over 8GB.

    Whereas SSD caching saves cache into the SSD and does not need to to re-cache the files after every reboot of Windows plus with better SSD caching software you can customize the cache size depending of big your SSD cache drive is and which programs and games to be cached, also SSD caching improves reads and writes speeds for transferring of files which Superfetch cannot do.

    Don't confuse Superfetch with SSD cache or Hybrid SSHD hard drives (which are limited to small SSD for caching), in the future when mechanical drives are obsolete and SSD's are really cheap this won't be a problem but currently even until the next Windows after Windows 10 gets publicly released mechanical drives will still play a big role for a cheaper solution to huge storage space in PC's only downfall is it's slow; this is the situation is which SSD caching shines the best.
    Wow that's a good explanation, you did your homework! +1 rep for that insight
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       #23

    Nemix said:
    Superfetch is nothing like SSD caching, Superfetch only caches most frequently used programs after a fresh start of Windows and is very limited is it's caching scheme even with 16GB of memory installed it doesn't seem to cache over 8GB.
    It's incorrect to say they are nothing alike. They are quite a bit alike, but SSD caching like that provided by Magician goes further than the built-in tools. (Which I said in my first post about this). Yes, Rapid Mode caches data as well as applications, while SuperFetch only caches applications. That doesn't make them "nothing alike".

    SuperFetch provides the read-ahead memory caching and ReadyBoost provides the SSD storage for SuperFetch. Of course, as is usually the case, the Microsoft provided tools only go so far, and third party tools are often more configurable and provide more features.

    It's more accurate to say these tools go further than the built-in ones.

    On my system, it won't let me use ReadyBoost, since it says my system is already so fast it wouldn't be of any benefit.

    The point is simply that Microsoft *does* provide these tools, they just aren't as good as you would like them to be.
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  4. Posts : 173
    Windows 10 Pro
       #24

    Are we even talking about the same thing?

    I'm not referrring to Samsung's SSD Rapid Mode caching, I'm referring to SSD + mechanical hard drive caching basically like Intel Smart Response Technology only a lot for intelligent and efficient if Windows 10 had implemented the feature natively.

    Yes I agree SSD caching takes a lot of ques from Superfetch but what really differentiates it from Superfetch is the fact ram is fast memory which looses all data upon reboot whereas SSD as cache is long memory which can hold the cache data even after reboots.
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  5. Phone Man's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro 1903 64 bit
       #25

    Cliff S said:
    Nemix thanks for the report link.

    EDIT: And thanks for posting in this thread, because, it reminded me I'll need to turn RAPID off anyhow, because Windows 10 will crash and burn if I leave it on, when it installs.
    Learned something today. I recently moved my W8.1 to a Samsung 850 Pro and turned on Rapid mode. I am getting ready to install W10 as a dual boot so you just saved me a big mess. I will turn it off and then install W10.

    Thanks,
    Jim
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    Posts : 132
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit
       #26

    I have the EVO 850 with Rapid Mode off, no problems and still fast. Great SSD btw!
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  7. Mystere's Avatar
    Posts : 3,222
    Windows 10 Pro
       #27

    popeye said:
    I have the EVO 850 with Rapid Mode off, no problems and still fast. Great SSD btw!
    I agree... I have the same drive, and it smokes my Crucial M500
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  8. Posts : 65
    W10 B10135
       #28

    I am quite happy with the EVO 840 in a 2xRAID0 as a boot/os/workplace array.

    Samsung Magician-clipboard01.png

    This is with the bugfixing firmware installed and I must say Samsung hit the nail...

    But I wonder if random 4k reads of the 850 are better. @Mystere: Do you have a RAID setup of these?
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  9. Posts : 173
    Windows 10 Pro
       #29

    Very nice benchmarks and real world speeds. Upgrading to Samsung EVO 850's in RAID 0 would be neglectable both in real world and benchmarks speeds compared to what you've got already (2x Samsung EVO 840's in RAID 0), better to wait for full a upgrade to SATA Express SSD's in a year or two.
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  10. Cliff S's Avatar
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    Win10 Pro, Win10 Pro N, Win10 Home, Win10 Pro Insider Fast Ring, Windows 8.1 Pro, Ubuntu
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       #30

    Phone Man said:
    Learned something today. I recently moved my W8.1 to a Samsung 850 Pro and turned on Rapid mode. I am getting ready to install W10 as a dual boot so you just saved me a big mess. I will turn it off and then install W10.

    Thanks,
    Jim
    You're welcome Jim. You might want to make sure you have Version 4.6 of Magician too.
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