Windows 10: Do I Need a UPS?

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  1.    15 Aug 2016 #41

    In my personal experience I've found that APC UPS products are well tested and safe to use.
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  2.    15 Aug 2016 #42

    Westom: I simply grabbed one of the many on-line articles about surge protectors, and, yes, I suspect that many of them are not totally correct. As I started I am not an electrical engineer, I can only discuss this issue from my vantage point of having been a fire chief, one who was quite involved in fire service-related issues, both nationally and internationally.

    I am sure that you have reinforced my statement that the public in general is quite unaware of many, if not most, of the engineering details involved in the selection and use of surge protector; in fact, I would certainly place myself in that category. I know much more of the many and varied facets of fire protection and EMS, as well as much of the history of the Middle Ages (that being my academic background,) than I am of the very minutiae you discuss about surge protectors.

    All I can do, as a now-retired fire chief, is continue to make at least a few people aware of some of the concerns about surge protectors at the level of the general public just as I endeavored to do about fire protection and the provision of emergency medical service when I was active in the fire service. I did much the same as a teacher of medieval history; I certainly did not expect my students, in grades seven through twelve, at college prep schools, to come even close to my level of knowledge of the subject.
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  3.    15 Aug 2016 #43


    "Backing up data is great but I also want hardware protection and to me a UPS is the best thing to get."


    "Even though spec numbers define it as worst protection. If one learns facts before making a conclusion, well, numbers are screaming no hardware protection."

    westom's correct, too much "hoorah" in some of the literature. Some of it reminds me of the written hoorah in the antivirus and antimalware program literature. The truth of the matter is in the eating of the pudding.
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  4.    15 Aug 2016 #44

    Not Myself said: View Post
    I can only discuss this issue from my vantage point of having been a fire chief, one who was quite involved in fire service-related issues, both nationally and internationally.
    Surge Suppressor Fires
    http://www.esdjournal.com/techpapr/P...OR%20FIRES.doc
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  5.    15 Aug 2016 #45

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    In my personal experience I've found that APC UPS products are well tested and safe to use.
    Then why did APC suddenly admit some 15 million of their protectors must be removed immediately due to fires and other human safety issues. APC did not admit this until after a company of integrity bought them. Other APC like companies (Panamax, Belkin, Trpplite, Monster) do not have new management that would put more emphasis on human safety.

    Human safety is one issue. Transistor safety is another. APC protectors do not claim to protect transistors from destructive surges. Worse, they needed new management before admitting too major human safety issues. Would you reconsider after learning some facts?
    "Schneider Electric Recalls APC Surge Protectors Due to Fire Hazard"
    Schneider Electric Recalls APC Surge Protectors Due to Fire Hazard | CPSC.gov

    APC UPS is sold on subjective myths that is does more than provide temporary and 'dirty' power. Lying is legal in sales brochures - but not in specification numbers.

    My point repeatedly. Most make conclusions only on their emotions. Technically honest conclusions occur only after learning facts - especially spec numbers. How many spec numbers did you consult before trusting APC?
    Last edited by westom; 15 Aug 2016 at 11:00.
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  6.    15 Aug 2016 #46

    I'm not going to continue this "discussion". I like APC products and use them with no issues.,
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  7.    17 Aug 2016 #47

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    I'm not going to continue this "discussion". I like APC products and use them with no issues.,
    I believe that if all the comments were combined into one document -- that document would accurately reflect the features, the benefits, the possible downsides of each and every available choice in the marketplace today.
    Last edited by RolandJS; 17 Aug 2016 at 06:33.
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  8.    17 Aug 2016 #48

    Today I spoke with a rep from APC to ask for his recommendations for a UPS. He asked me the wattage of my PC and PSU which is 450 and 750 respectively. This idiot said that based on my build I'd need a UPS that would cost $600. Mind you, my PC cost $600 to build. During the call I sent that f***ing idiot to hell.

    I can't believe he suggested that. If this rep is indicative of the way the conpany operates, I would go shop for a UPS at another company.
    Last edited by xlook; 17 Aug 2016 at 18:26.
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  9.    17 Aug 2016 #49

    westom said: View Post
    hi westom, thanks very much for the link and the info on the APC recall. I'm a retired Architect and worked closely with fire marshals, inspectors, and fire safety engineers throughout my career in residential an institutional design. You do us a good service in bringing this to the forefront. Many thanks!
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