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  1. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 54
    Windows 10 Pro
       2 Weeks Ago #1911

    I've noticed that the last few Realtek High Definition Audio driver releases on Microsoft Update Catalog (8012, 8018 and 8023) have a smaller file size than 8010. What's more they seem to be omitting the Creative driver components bundled with 8010 and earlier drivers.

    I have a Gigabyte GA-Z170X Gaming 5 EU v1 motherboard and I've found that only 8010 (or older) will install properly. If I try to install 8018 or 8023 as an upgrade over the standard MS supplied high definition driver then the board will not produce sound and simply gives a Code 39 in Device Manager. However, if I upgrade to 8018 or 8023 from a previous installation of 8010 then it will work, but only because it retains the Creative driver components from 8010 in the upgrade process.

    This leads me to wonder, are Realtek permanently removing the Creative driver components from future high definition audio driver releases and if so, how do I use these new drivers on my motherboard without installing the Creative driver components first? My motherboard uses a Realtek ALC1150 codec and I've never really understood why Creative drivers are needed at all.

    I have noticed that the INF file (applicable to my motherboard audio codec) in the 8023 driver package has this comment written at the top:

    ; X-Fi MB3 Hardware ID locking

    X-Fi obviously refers to Creative hardware but what's Hardware ID locking all about? I realise the official recommendation for this problem would be to only install drivers supplied by the motherboard maker but this is the first time I've had compatibility issues with a new Realtek driver. I'd love to get to the bottom of these recent driver changes. Anyone with any insight or ideas?
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  2. Joined : Sep 2016
    Posts : 82
    Windows 7 64-bit
       2 Weeks Ago #1912

    DooGie said: View Post
    Version 6.0.1.8023 is now available on the Microsoft Update Catalog. Windows 64-bit only at the moment.

    Microsoft Update Catalog
    Thanks DooGie.
    Someone let me know if it's worth updating.
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  3. Joined : Mar 2015
    Stockport UK
    Posts : 1,231
    Wndows 10 x64 Home
       2 Weeks Ago #1913

    asturias7 said: View Post
    Thanks DooGie.
    Someone let me know if it's worth updating.
    Someone else will jhave to let you know asturias7 as I'm off for six weeks holiday in an hour
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  4. Joined : Aug 2015
    Maine
    Posts : 20,990
    Windows10Pro 64Bit on 2 DeskTop Computers
       2 Weeks Ago #1914

    DooGie said: View Post
    Someone else will jhave to let you know asturias7 as I'm off for six weeks holiday in an hour
    6 WEEKS OFF!!!!! Holy Smokes you got a lot of vacation time!!!! Congrats
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  5. Joined : Oct 2014
    Arnold, MD
    Posts : 17,451
    Triple Boot 10 Pro & 10 Insider Pro & 8.1 Pro
       2 Weeks Ago #1915

    DooGie said: View Post
    Someone else will jhave to let you know asturias7 as I'm off for six weeks holiday in an hour
    Long flight to New Zealand! What's your route and time?
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  6. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 17,463
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 15014
       2 Weeks Ago #1916

    DooGie said: View Post
    Version 6.0.1.8023 is now available on the Microsoft Update Catalog. Windows 64-bit only at the moment.

    Microsoft Update Catalog
    Thank you. First post updated.
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  7. Joined : Sep 2016
    Posts : 82
    Windows 7 64-bit
       2 Weeks Ago #1917

    DooGie said: View Post
    Someone else will jhave to let you know asturias7 as I'm off for six weeks holiday in an hour
    OK.
    Enjoy! 6 weeks, wow! I'll be 3 weeks in Florida.
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  8. Joined : Apr 2015
    Posts : 148
    Windows 10
       2 Weeks Ago #1918

    ComputerGeek said: View Post
    Will post sometime later as have to run out now.
    OK. Created new thread to continue discussion elsewhere

    Trying to Analyze a Realtek Audio driver install

    spapakons said: View Post
    There is no need to go to command prompt. You can use a utility such as Aida64 to see all details in GUI. <snip>
    The advantage of Devcon wasn't hightlighted in my original post but have a look at the Devcon output shown in that post. Devcon shows ALL hardware ids for a devcie. Aida64 only shows one. Devcon also shows all Compatible IDs.
    Last edited by ComputerGeek; 2 Weeks Ago at 22:17.
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  9. Joined : Apr 2015
    Posts : 148
    Windows 10
       2 Weeks Ago #1919

    wiggly1uk2000 said: View Post
    I have noticed that the INF file (applicable to my motherboard audio codec) in the 8023 driver package has this comment written at the top:

    ; X-Fi MB3 Hardware ID locking

    X-Fi obviously refers to Creative hardware but what's Hardware ID locking all about? I realise the official recommendation for this problem would be to only install drivers supplied by the motherboard maker but this is the first time I've had compatibility issues with a new Realtek driver. I'd love to get to the bottom of these recent driver changes. Anyone with any insight or ideas?
    I found 7 INFs commented with Hardware ID Locking including (not the complete list)
    Code:
    Creative MB2 Hardware ID locking
    D-company X-Fi MB3 Hardware ID locking
    SoundBlaster Cinema 3 Hardware ID locking (M-company ESS case)
    I also found this from thread Unlocked Realtek HD Audio Drivers Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 (With Dolby Digital Live and DTS Interactive)
    Unlocked options you will get:
    - Dolby Digital Live
    - DTS Interactive
    - Dolby Home Theater (Dolby Virtual Speaker for 2 speakers, Dolby Pro Logic II for >2 speakers)
    - DTS Neo: PC
    Sounds like some Realtek drivers include licensed features that only run on specific h/w (maybe locked based on audio chip h/w id?). Do you have any of the licensed features? Sounds like the bundled the driver files together into a single INF but licensed features only available from specific h/w ids.
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  10. Joined : Sep 2015
    Posts : 2,084
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 1607 (AE build 14393.693)
       2 Weeks Ago #1920

    ComputerGeek said: View Post
    I found 7 INFs commented with Hardware ID Locking including (not the complete list)
    Code:
    Creative MB2 Hardware ID lockingD-company X-Fi MB3 Hardware ID lockingSoundBlaster Cinema 3 Hardware ID locking (M-company ESS case)
    I also found this from thread Unlocked Realtek HD Audio Drivers Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 (With Dolby Digital Live and DTS Interactive)Sounds like some Realtek drivers include licensed features that only run on specific h/w (maybe locked based on audio chip h/w id?). Do you have any of the licensed features? Sounds like the bundled the driver files together into a single INF but licensed features only available from specific h/w ids.
    Most likely some Creative sound card models (probably USB) use Realtek chipsets instead of Creative's proprietary. This is a more convincing explanation than telling Realtek uses Creative's technology.
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