Windows 10: Windows Boot up Issue Solved

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  1. essenbe's Avatar
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       31 Aug 2016 #41

    I built my rig in Feb. 2015 and haven't had any problems. I know I have a different board than you guys, but it should work the same being the same chipset. I just have more crap on my board that I don't need or use.
    @KevinUK, could you do as @Kbird suggested and go into bios and set optimized defaults (F5)? While you are in there could you go into the monitor section and give me the readings for CPU Temp, MB Temp and the +12V, +5V and +3.3V? Also, have you had a BSOD on your board? If you don't mind, please run the BSOD Posting Instructions and post the zip file here? Even if you haven't had a BSOD it can give us a lot of info about your OS such as drivers and such. Maybe we will see something that doesn't look right.

    Also, could you go to control panel, Uninstall a program and give us a list of your installed programs to look at?

    If I ask you to do anything you have already done, please excuse me. I have scanned over the whole thread, but I may have missed a few things.
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  2.    01 Sep 2016 #42

    Kbird

    Thanks for that information on the CHKDSK, much appreciated.
    Currently I have removed the Logik Hub: USB2 and monitoring the system.

    The answers to a couple of questions.
    I am not OC in any way.
    Rapid mode is not enabled in Magician
    Is trim not turned on in Windows 10 automatically? I will look into this at the week end.
    I will see how the system operates if I have to remove the USB devices one by one before trying BIOS 2101

    Hi essenbe

    Thank you for the feed back, as I have little time in the week, I shall look into your posts at the week end. I have no blue screen of death (BSOD?)

    Thanks guys

    Kevin
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  3. essenbe's Avatar
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       01 Sep 2016 #43

    If you will open an administrative command prompt and run fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify it will tell you about Trim. If it says

    NTFS DisableDeleteNotify = 1 (Windows TRIM commands are disabled)
    NTFS DisableDeleteNotify = 0 (Windows TRIM commands are enabled)

    That will mean that windows is sending trim commands to the SSD Controller. Yes, Windows should do that automatically, but it never hurts to check.
    Last edited by essenbe; 01 Sep 2016 at 02:35.
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  4.    01 Sep 2016 #44

    Hi Kev/Ess , Just so you are both aware that command will only tell if the OS has Trim enabled , it won't tell you if the Controller is actually receiving those Commands , there has been numerous Intel RST Drivers with Trim disabled , especially in Raid0.

    So I use a small program called TrimCheck for that if I have doubts....

    Solid State Drives Easy TRIM test methods

    But the Trimcheck Files are here:

    Index of /trimcheck

    just place the file on the Drive you want to test and run it ,(double click it) close the window and re-run it 2-3 mins later

    and more info here on github

    GitHub - CyberShadow/trimcheck: SSD TRIM check tool for Windows


    Oh and more info on Ess. Command too by Brink here on Ten.

    TRIM Support for Solid State Drives - Enable or Disable in Windows 10 - Windows 10 Forums


    KB.
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  5.    01 Sep 2016 #45

    Hi Kbird/essenbe

    I checked C drive using essenbe suggestion and trim is on and I double checked with your suggestion Kbird using TrimCheck and that also came up with trim is on.

    The old SSD that is now drive E, does that need to have the trim on, it only has a few programs on it for now.

    I am currently still monitoring the system with the Logik Hub (USB2) removed, to see if it stops the boot sequence.

    Kevin
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  6.    01 Sep 2016 #46

    Ok good news....

    Yes all SSD's need trim on whether they are the OS Drive or not....

    If the SSD is recognised properly in windows , the Defrag tool will only allow you to "Optimise" that Drive not defrag it , it is actually "trimming" the drive when it optimises.

    KB
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  7. essenbe's Avatar
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       02 Sep 2016 #47

    I'm glad you have verified that trim is working. With my recommended command prompt I said that the results will show that the OS is sending trim commands to the SSD Controller. The rest is up to the SSD. With Kbird's suggested program it verifies that the controller is doing it's job. So, it seems all is well on that front.

    Earlier in the thread I saw where it was suggested you run sfc /scannow and you received errors. Did you run it 3 times with reboots in between each time? I don't see where you answered that. The repairs are actually carried out during a reboot. Sometimes it can't repair all errors at the same time, or some repairs can't be done until other errors are fixed first. So, 3 times is recommended.

    Failing a clean sfc, did you run from an elevated command prompt
    Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup
    Then run
    Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth
    They will appear to be doing nothing but will give you a successful or failure report eventually. If you get a failure report, please let us know the error.

    Assuming you get a successful report, run sfc /scannow again.

    Also I noticed you were running BIOS version 3301. That is for the new Broadwell chips. For the chips we are running the latest bios is 2101. I would suggest flashing the bios back to 2101 as Kbird suggested. I don't see where you responded to that recommendation.

    A weak PSU could cause the problems you are experiencing. Not a diagnosis, but a possibility. Could you go into BIOS and on the monitoring section of BIOS tell us the MB Temps, CPU Temps, the values of the +12V, +5V and +3.3V please. While in bios, I would suggest to set optimized defaults (F5).

    If I was having your problems, I would disconnect all hard drives except the OS drive. Also disconnect everything connected to the computer except mouse, keyboard and monitor. I would also use a USB mouse and keyboard and remove any wireless USB dongles or devices. If you have SD cards or USB drives, remove all of them. In other words, I would remove everything from the system not necessary for the computer to run. Test and see if the problem persists.

    The BSOD Posting instructions I asked about will give us a lot of info about your system even though you aren't experiencing BSOD issues. Also a list of programs you have installed could help. You can get those easily from Control Panel > Uninstall a program, or if you have CCleaner installed, go to tools then in the bottom right click save to text file.

    I know you guys have had issues with your motherboards, but I am not convinced it is a MB issue. The Motherboard is Posting correctly, as I understand it. Once it passes post, everything is handed off to the OS. When you see the spinning circles, that is when the OS is beginning to boot and load drivers. That seems to be the point where you are having your main problem. These are just some of my thoughts, observations and opinions.
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  8.    02 Sep 2016 #48

    essenbe

    The reason I did not post results for scannow, I was going to reinstall Windows and if I had the same issue I was going to put a new SSD in. Which is what I currently have now and the old drive I am using for programs.

    I am currently still monitoring the system with the Logik Hub (USB2) removed.

    I will look into the your last post at the weekend and carry out scannow, BIOS 2101 etc.

    Kevin
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  9. essenbe's Avatar
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       02 Sep 2016 #49

    OK, thanks Kevin. Those were just some of my suggestions. FWIW, and I admit to being somewhat OCD, even on a clean install I always run the DISM and sfc /scannow on them just to be assured that everything is right and set up correctly.
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  10.    02 Sep 2016 #50

    Certainly the other guy I mentioned is happy to be back on 2101 , not sure if that is your issue ? though the "latest isn't always the greatest" , I am thinking something got messed up with the Broadwell E Code getting added ,which you don't need at this time.

    This Post is now 5 Pages long and a week or two long as well, I was going to ask you to recap and see where we are at now actually , as it seems we have gone through a few things, some resolved , some not? ...

    I have not found anything conclusive on SD Errors or a way to eliminate them or what causes them ,except that it was an issue in XP and 2K that M$ issued a hotfix for. Perhaps the Win10 Update on Aug 30th had a fix?, as I saw it included fixes for the NTFS File System too amongst others. ( Au V.105)

    KB.
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