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  1.    11 Aug 2016 #51
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    Hyundai used to be a "chaebol" (Korean conglomerate), but apparently that broke up in 2003. (Wikipedia, again.) I'm unsure whether any of the fragments still make PCs. (Probably not. Margins were low even before the current PC market decline.)

    I haven't any recent experience with HP. My former employer used Dell for as long as I was there (2001 on). I'd expect HP to be competitive, and a quick look at their web site shows that they sell $1k desktops with Gen 6 Intel CPUs. If you're getting older tech, I'd blame it on the purchasing people at your agency, or at least the rules they are forced to work under. Even at my former employer, some things were routinely purchased that made no sense. Example: if you needed a new monitor, they could hand you one from their stock. It was a 22" with a 16:10 aspect ratio: 1680 X 1050 pixels. I didn't know that Dell still made those. (Maybe they don't, and are simply dumping old stock. I would have much preferred 1920 X 1080, as I used software that benefitted from lots of horizontal pixels.)

    The Japanese had an analog HD TV format years before the all-digital US HDTV standard. It required more bandwidth, which I suppose is one reason the FCC didn't support it. Another reason may have been to give US manufacturers an advantage. If so, it was a waste of time. AFAIK, there have been no US TV makers for at least a few years. (ABC TV had a "made in America" feature where they stripped a family's house and refurnished it only with US made stuff. No TV.) RCA is French owned; I don't know who owns the Westinghouse name. Neither makes TVs in this hemisphere, AFAIK.
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  2.    14 Aug 2016 #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobkn View Post
    Hyundai used to be a "chaebol" (Korean conglomerate), but apparently that broke up in 2003. (Wikipedia, again.) I'm unsure whether any of the fragments still make PCs. (Probably not. Margins were low even before the current PC market decline.)

    I haven't any recent experience with HP. My former employer used Dell for as long as I was there (2001 on). I'd expect HP to be competitive, and a quick look at their web site shows that they sell $1k desktops with Gen 6 Intel CPUs. If you're getting older tech, I'd blame it on the purchasing people at your agency, or at least the rules they are forced to work under. Even at my former employer, some things were routinely purchased that made no sense. Example: if you needed a new monitor, they could hand you one from their stock. It was a 22" with a 16:10 aspect ratio: 1680 X 1050 pixels. I didn't know that Dell still made those. (Maybe they don't, and are simply dumping old stock. I would have much preferred 1920 X 1080, as I used software that benefitted from lots of horizontal pixels.)

    The Japanese had an analog HD TV format years before the all-digital US HDTV standard. It required more bandwidth, which I suppose is one reason the FCC didn't support it. Another reason may have been to give US manufacturers an advantage. If so, it was a waste of time. AFAIK, there have been no US TV makers for at least a few years. (ABC TV had a "made in America" feature where they stripped a family's house and refurnished it only with US made stuff. No TV.) RCA is French owned; I don't know who owns the Westinghouse name. Neither makes TVs in this hemisphere, AFAIK.
    I agree on "Nothing Made here anymore". You go to upstate NY (Have an aunt who lives up there) and it is pretty bad, places like Syracuse, Utica, Rochester, Buffalo, everything they had to manufacture has either moved or folded. Can't blame Trump for at least mentioning it, I think he did a rally up in Rome NY - once again Grifiss Air Force Base has closed, lol. Albany is about the only growth story, being its the Capital.

    About HP, they actually did a major overhaul of their website, and introduced some sleek new laptops. That is fairly new, about 9 months ago or less. Before there revamping, I am serious, they sold crappy machines, and were always using old technologies instead of latest cutting edge. Dell is about the same, but just a tad bit better. HP has a sleek new thin gold notebook (forgot the name), and it is pretty solid with specs. But if your buying laptops online and paying middle dollars, they don't use A/C wireless cards, they still ONLY use DDR#, I mean things like that are annoying, still have online purchases with Windows 8, or Windows 7 specs, but as I say, they have revamped, and done well. I have a friend who works for HP in sales, and they sell there new lines better than expected.

    No TVs made in USA, the only thing I can think of that is made in USA might be niche products, like specialty clothing that you buy online, just mom and pop stores, local mini brews, it is pretty sad when you have to hear that from Donald Trump and not from Hillary. He was saying how his friend is in constructing new plants for manufacturing, and in Mexico, it is booming, and they build top of the line fabs!

    Makes me sick about our Politicians, and there really isn't anyway to get around that, they have been bought off for years, and no one is gonna tell me different, plus they can pay cheap help, bring it over here to the largest consumer and get big bucks for a low paid fab product! Makes me VERY sick!
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  3.    14 Aug 2016 #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobkn View Post
    Hyundai used to be a "chaebol" (Korean conglomerate), but apparently that broke up in 2003. (Wikipedia, again.) I'm unsure whether any of the fragments still make PCs. (Probably not. Margins were low even before the current PC market decline.)

    I haven't any recent experience with HP. My former employer used Dell for as long as I was there (2001 on). I'd expect HP to be competitive, and a quick look at their web site shows that they sell $1k desktops with Gen 6 Intel CPUs. If you're getting older tech, I'd blame it on the purchasing people at your agency, or at least the rules they are forced to work under. Even at my former employer, some things were routinely purchased that made no sense. Example: if you needed a new monitor, they could hand you one from their stock. It was a 22" with a 16:10 aspect ratio: 1680 X 1050 pixels. I didn't know that Dell still made those. (Maybe they don't, and are simply dumping old stock. I would have much preferred 1920 X 1080, as I used software that benefitted from lots of horizontal pixels.)

    The Japanese had an analog HD TV format years before the all-digital US HDTV standard. It required more bandwidth, which I suppose is one reason the FCC didn't support it. Another reason may have been to give US manufacturers an advantage. If so, it was a waste of time. AFAIK, there have been no US TV makers for at least a few years. (ABC TV had a "made in America" feature where they stripped a family's house and refurnished it only with US made stuff. No TV.) RCA is French owned; I don't know who owns the Westinghouse name. Neither makes TVs in this hemisphere, AFAIK.
    Hyundai PCs might have been a Korean household name without us knowing it...
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  4.    14 Aug 2016 #54
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    If you're getting older tech, I'd blame it on the purchasing people at your agency, or at least the rules they are forced to work under.

    Yep, but of course, I work for the State! :-) They just went through a HUGE overhaul of there IT people, and we are still using 32 bit OS, on old Core 2 Duos... It is so pathetic, but I have heard everything is going to be computed from the cloud or their main data center. So big changes at NYS, Cuomo thinks he is King, and of course he'll run in 2020 to save the world! Cannot stand that guy!

    When I was growing up, the word was 93 we would have high Def TVs, at 720 P on a flat screen. Of course that never materialized till around 2001. So the Japs were way ahead of us, and we still were with CRTs. It was such a disappointment, and even now, Cable (TWC) still produces a 720P signal, or 1080i, in 2016! I have heard they might skip 1080P and go directly to UHD or 4K eventually. Most Americans aren't concerned about how they watch TV but what type of gun shooting, sex, and drugs is on prime time.
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  5.    14 Aug 2016 #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxxxx View Post
    If you're getting older tech, I'd blame it on the purchasing people at your agency, or at least the rules they are forced to work under.

    Yep, but of course, I work for the State! :-) They just went through a HUGE overhaul of there IT people, and we are still using 32 bit OS, on old Core 2 Duos... It is so pathetic, but I have heard everything is going to be computed from the cloud or their main data center. So big changes at NYS, Cuomo thinks he is King, and of course he'll run in 2020 to save the world! Cannot stand that guy!

    When I was growing up, the word was 93 we would have high Def TVs, at 720 P on a flat screen. Of course that never materialized till around 2001. So the Japs were way ahead of us, and we still were with CRTs. It was such a disappointment, and even now, Cable (TWC) still produces a 720P signal, or 1080i, in 2016! I have heard they might skip 1080P and go directly to UHD or 4K eventually. Most Americans aren't concerned about how they watch TV but what type of gun shooting, sex, and drugs is on prime time.
    If I could just eke out a 15% better CPU on here, this thing will last for a good 2-3 more years. If you ever see a Pentium D Extreme Edition 955 or 965 please let me know. I might try a C2D, while I update my BIOS, as there is a 2010 Update. Seems odd to come out with a 2010 Update from a BIOS that was made in 2005. I think that was for a C2D... Thanks!
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  6.    18 Sep 2016 #56
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    Speaking of Upgrades, I just installed the Windows 10 Anniversary Update! It is amazing, I LOVE it! Lots more features, however, lots more to pay attention to. Best of both worlds, my iPhone 6 got new life by upgrading to iOS10. Amazing as well! What a great world! Nah
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  7.    29 Sep 2016 #57
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    Giving up on finding a Pentium D 965 Extreme Edition... But the Gateway is doing well so far! Installation went smooth for the newest Windows 10 Vesion (1607) Build 14393.187

    Question to Bobkn

    If I buy a laptop that has Windows 10 Pre-Installed on a HDD 5400 RPM, and I want to take that out and install a SSD, can I just go on to the Microsoft website and clean install Windows 10 (whatever the same edition was on the original HDD) with no problems? I remember you saying, once Windows is in the mobo, it doesn't matter how many times you can re-install Windows 10 as long as you have a genuine Windows 10 product key?

    I rather do a clean install, this laptop PC will have a lot of bloatware, ones that slow the machine down to begin with, so either way, even if I just keep the 5400 mechanical drive, or slip in a 256 GIG SSD, I would need to clean install. I should have any issues, correct? Just create the "media tool" and boot into a DVD or USB, correct? Anyone?
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  8.    29 Sep 2016 #58
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    you would also need to download the Drivers for a clean install , though Win10 Update may have many , most laptops have all sorts of Drivers for battery management etc that WinUpdate may not apply.

    You may need to pop open the case to put in a SSD , many laptops now do not have the old style HDD Compartment on the bottom , or even a battery compartment... (now built-in) such as the Lenovo I worked on recently.....look for a disassembly guide online.

    And yes Win10 should be in the Firmware/UEFI on a Win10 Laptop , so there should be no issues with the Key , just skip that question and it should auto activate once Windows is installed.


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  9.    29 Sep 2016 #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kbird View Post
    you would also need to download the Drivers for a clean install , though Win10 Update may have many , most laptops have all sorts of Drivers for battery management etc that WinUpdate may not apply.

    You may need to pop open the case to put in a SSD , many laptops now do not have the old style HDD Compartment on the bottom , or even a battery compartment... (now built-in) such as the Lenovo I worked on recently.....look for a disassembly guide online.

    And yes Win10 should be in the Firmware/UEFI on a Win10 Laptop , so there should be no issues with the Key , just skip that question and it should auto activate once Windows is installed.


    KB.
    Thanks KB, that is all I wanted to know. This laptop has a great back or underneath opener for specifically updating the RAM and HDD, so it is suited for upgrades. It has currently a 5400 RPM, and I know this is slow, so I just need a SATA 2.5 250 GBs Samsung Pro. It doesn't support M.2, but I'm cool with Samsung. It has 4 USB 3.0 one 2.0 and one 3.1 type C, so plenty of ports. It has a mobo that supports 32 GBs of DDR4 RAM, and easy to replace. I think an 8 GB stick, maybe a 16 GB stick would be great, I don't want to go with a 2 GB and a 4 GB for just 6 GB. Doing a clean install will get all that bloat ware that typically slows these less priced laptops. Its a descent laptop for the price, AC wireless, NO GARAPHICS card expect an HD 550 integrated, but I am not gamer. Should I open it and install the Windows 10 process on the current HDD and then swap, or just swap when I get it before starting it?
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  10.    29 Sep 2016 #60
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxxxx View Post
    Thanks KB, that is all I wanted to know. This laptop has a great back or underneath opener for specifically updating the RAM and HDD, so it is suited for upgrades. It has currently a 5400 RPM, and I know this is slow, so I just need a SATA 2.5 250 GBs Samsung Pro. It doesn't support M.2, but I'm cool with Samsung. It has 4 USB 3.0 one 2.0 and one 3.1 type C, so plenty of ports. It has a mobo that supports 32 GBs of DDR4 RAM, and easy to replace. I think an 8 GB stick, maybe a 16 GB stick would be great, I don't want to go with a 2 GB and a 4 GB for just 6 GB. Doing a clean install will get all that bloat ware that typically slows these less priced laptops. Its a descent laptop for the price, AC wireless, NO GARAPHICS card expect an HD 550 integrated, but I am not gamer. Should I open it and install the Windows 10 process on the current HDD and then swap, or just swap when I get it before starting it?
    Thanks KB
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