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  1. Joined : Apr 2016
    Posts : 111
    Windows 10 Professional x64
       10 Jun 2016 #51

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    I still don't see the need for TRIM on modern SSD's
    IIRC, trimming is performed on your disk whether you like it or not, since it's integrated to the NTFS driver. The maintenance tool basically checks in case some remains to be done, which can be the case I suppose if some space was freed on the filesystem while the system is shutting down, or in case of a system crash, so it usually hasn't much to do.
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  2. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 185
    windows 10
       10 Jun 2016 #52

    I'll ask the question again. Has anyone ever heard of an SSD catching on fire because of some program like Diskeeper continually going at it to the point where it gets hot and explodes?
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  3. Joined : Sep 2014
    Posts : 2,923
    Windows 10 Pro
       10 Jun 2016 #53

    Maggidon said: View Post
    I'll ask the question again. Has anyone ever heard of an SSD catching on fire because of some program like Diskeeper continually going at it to the point where it gets hot and explodes?
    Uhhh.. No.

    It wouldn't catch fire, unless some other component in the system caught fire first. SSD's are relatively cool operating. Even when writing to them (it doesn't use heat to do so, but some heat is generated just by accessing it).

    SSD's "wear out" eventually after millions of write cycles, they just stop returning data.
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  4. Joined : Apr 2016
    Posts : 111
    Windows 10 Professional x64
       10 Jun 2016 #54

    Maggidon said: View Post
    Has anyone ever heard of an SSD catching on fire because of some program like Diskeeper continually going at it to the point where it gets hot and explodes?
    There have been reported cases with plutonium-based SSDs.
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  5. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 185
    windows 10
       11 Jun 2016 #55

    Thank you for the two straight forward replies guys. Before I posted the question, I'm thinking maybe I should keep that Kidde FA110 Multi Purpose Fire Extinguisher on top of my desk because SSD's are supposed to be blazing fast.
    After reading Mystere's reply, I thought maybe there was no real reason to keep that space-taking thing in my office afterall. Then NovHak hits the deck fast with his enlightening response and suddenly I'm all fired up to buy a Geiger Counter. I just might make a collect call to my long lost Aunt in Los Alamos and see what they do and use down there.

    Summing this all up then, it would seem the general trend is to use TRIM. Presently, I have it enabled and shall leave well enough alone until it isn't. I want to mark this as solved but will wait to see if there are further suggestions to be offered. It's been a real experience thus far. Thank you ever so much.
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  6. Joined : Oct 2013
    Nothern Ohio
    Posts : 446
    Windows 7/64 Professional
       18 Jun 2016 #56

    Mystere said: View Post
    I wouldn't say they "don't want their SSD's defraged with any program". That sounds like they are actively telling users what they can and can't do with their drives. It would be better to say they do not recommend defragging, as it normally serves no useful purpose and can (slightly) decrease the lifetime expectancy of the drive (although if you were to defrag it often each time would decrease that life expectancy).

    Again, there are plenty of defrag tools that are smart and understand that SSD's don't need general defragging (though they sometimes need filesystem optimization).

    So it's good to optimize drives, even SSD's, but you should only use an SSD aware optimizer.
    I'm using my words and I don't care to play word games.
    But I must agree that (do not recommend) does sound much better.

    Either way I do believe my thoughts and suggestions were not hard to understand or were misguiding.

    I flunked Grammar 101.
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  7. Joined : Jun 2016
    Posts : 13
    Win10Pro-64
       18 Jun 2016 #57

    The reasoning I have seen is that two logically adjacent sectors S1+S2 could be physically in the order S2+S1, so to read both sectors, you may wait one revolution for the data to be under the read head. Multiply by a zillion for a large file, and that slows things up. With an SSD, physical location doesn't matter -- you don't have to wait for something to move under the read head. So there is no advantage to defragging. The disadvantage is that each location on an SSD can be rewritten a limited number of times, which is not a factor with spinning drives. Although that limit might be rather large, in the petabyte range, but some optimizing programs spend every waking / inactive second shuffling data around so they could chew through a mega-write in a week.
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  8. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 185
    windows 10
       19 Jun 2016 #58

    I'm amazed at how much you clams understand. Wowzer!!!
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  9. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 6,866
    Windows 10 Pro
       19 Jun 2016 #59

    DavidOdden said: View Post
    The reasoning I have seen is that two logically adjacent sectors S1+S2 could be physically in the order S2+S1, so to read both sectors, you may wait one revolution for the data to be under the read head. Multiply by a zillion for a large file, and that slows things up. With an SSD, physical location doesn't matter -- you don't have to wait for something to move under the read head. So there is no advantage to defragging. The disadvantage is that each location on an SSD can be rewritten a limited number of times, which is not a factor with spinning drives. Although that limit might be rather large, in the petabyte range, but some optimizing programs spend every waking / inactive second shuffling data around so they could chew through a mega-write in a week.
    Yep!
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  10. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 185
    windows 10
       19 Jun 2016 #60

    I second the "yep" or in French, "Yeppier!"
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