Windows 10: Should SSD's be defragmented Solved

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  1.    08 Jun 2016 #11

    Maggidon said: View Post
    Ok, so if I'm getting the messages correctly, then I should turn off Trim. Also, is "hibernating" an SSD going to hurt it or not?
    If you have an SSD you want trim on. Hibernating will not hurt an SSD, what it does is use space on your SSD and some people don't want that.
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  2.    08 Jun 2016 #12

    Forgive me, but this is confusing. I'm being told overall not to defrag an SSD. But is not TRIM in essence doing that once a month or am I misunderstanding something totally?
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  3.    08 Jun 2016 #13

    Maggidon said: View Post
    Ok, so if I'm getting the messages correctly, then I should turn off Trim. Also, is "hibernating" an SSD going to hurt it or not?
    Yes. When hibernating, a computer writes a lot of info to the SSD, speeding up the time when it will wear out. There are plenty of posts from users on different forums stating that this is not true. However, PCWorld says that it is, although PCWorld does state that the wearing out of your SSD will take place over a period of years.
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  4.    08 Jun 2016 #14

    TRIM is an entirely different process than defragmenting. TRIM is how SSDs are optimized, defrag is how HDDs are optimized.
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  5.    08 Jun 2016 #15

    Ok, not to drag this out, so all would agree then to keep TRIM on and do not touch the SSD with any defragging program, such as Diskeeper etc.
    By the way, has Diskeeper gone out of business, for I have not received any updates on this since 2012 I believe.
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  6.    08 Jun 2016 #16

    Maggidon said: View Post
    Forgive me, but this is confusing. I'm being told overall not to defrag an SSD. But is not TRIM in essence doing that once a month or am I misunderstanding something totally?

    A lot of information on the Net is now outdated , look at the article's published date to see when it was written a lot of that info is essentially wrong today especially on Win10.

    Trim is essential on a SSD ( why early on Company's provided utilities to do it ) to clean up the Drive internally after deletes etc are done , the internal command does not effect the SSD like a traditional Defrag as it writes nothing to the SSD , just changes the "pointers" so the SSD thinks it memory cells are empty etc.

    The old habit of not letting a SSD hibernate was cos the 1st SSD's were only 60GB or perhaps 120GB and the Hibernate file is usually 1.6x the size of you physical Ram so if you had 8GB Ram you lost 12GB of your new 60GB SSD which made it a squeeze if you want all your Programs on the SSD too , not just the OS.

    Windows 10 recognizes SSD's now and will not allow a Defrag , it does offer to Optimise them which is really the Trim Command being applied. it does it Auto and you don't really need to adjust it.
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       08 Jun 2016 #17

    @Maggidon read this for understand TRIM and garbage collection: Garbage Collection and TRIM in SSDs Explained - An SSD Primer | The SSD Review
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  8.    08 Jun 2016 #18

    Good. Thanks for the helpful replies guys. This has been very helpful. If there are others who want to wade in with more comments, please do.
    I'll not have Diskeeper kick in on the SSD but let Windows TRIM do its thing.
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       08 Jun 2016 #19

    I use Intel SSD's and Intels Tool Box for their SSD's.
    The best of my memory indicates that using the Optimizer section in the Intel Tool Box about once a week is just dandy and is what Intel recommends. Doing so for years has never hurt my Intel SSD's.
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  10.    09 Jun 2016 #20

    Thank you for the Interesting reply Layback Bear. I have a Samsgung 850 EV0 250GB sitting here on my desk not installed yet. But I can tell it's just raring to go. Being ignorant to this cute little tyke, I'm not sure any software comes with it so will allow TRIM to do its thing. Onions, pardon me, I mean opinions abound around but I've appreciated the advice you & the others have given. I think I'm going to just layback & give heed.
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