Windows 10: Simple hardware (CPU) question:

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  1. Posts : 3
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       16 Dec 2015 #1

    Simple hardware (CPU) question:


    Is there any such thing as a Pentium 4, Socket 478 CPU that meets all of the requirements to run Windows 10?
    If there is, which one would it be? Socket 478 responses only please.
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  2.    16 Dec 2015 #2

    Windows 10 hardware requirements only specify a processor that runs over 1GHz.
    Windows 10 Specifications - Microsoft

    All Pentium processors for socket 478 run faster than 1GHz
    List of Intel Pentium 4 microprocessors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So any socket 478 processor should run Windows 10. Maybe not super speedy, but it will run it.
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  3.    16 Dec 2015 #3

    If I read this right, no.

    List of Intel Pentium 4 microprocessors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Win 10 requires the NX (no execute) bit. The Prescott P4 5x0J CPUs (like the 550J) have it, but they appear to all be LGA 775.

    I'm less sure about the additional requirements to run Win 10 X64.
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  4.    17 Dec 2015 #4

    TV2 said: View Post
    Windows 10 hardware requirements only specify a processor that runs over 1GHz.
    Windows 10 Specifications - Microsoft

    All Pentium processors for socket 478 run faster than 1GHz
    List of Intel Pentium 4 microprocessors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So any socket 478 processor should run Windows 10. Maybe not super speedy, but it will run it.
    Not all 1 GHZ CPUs are compatible with Windows 10. The Microsoft article linked to does specify that the device (computer) must meet requirements other than system specifications. In particular it must support NX and some other features.


    Some socket 478 Pentium 4's may have these features but there is more to it than that. There is more to CPU compatibility than just socket type. OEM computers in particular are often troublesome with CPU upgrades. An updated BIOS may add compatibility for a newer CPU, or it may not.


    You also have to consider whether the computer has compatible drivers for Windows 10. It would seem unlikely that the manufacturer would supply drivers for an OS that is not fully compatible with the computer for other reasons.
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    Thread Starter
       17 Dec 2015 #5

    So, what I'm gathering is that no one here actually knows of a Pentium 4, Socket 478 CPU that meets Windows 10 specifications.

    I already knew that TV2's answer was incorrect, inasmuch as I currently have two machines running 2.80 GHz Pentium 4, Socket 478 Northwood core CPU's, that Windows 10 does not support, because those processors do not support NX.

    bobkn's response was a bit more "on point" since he DID mention Pentium 4 Prescott CPUs which support NX, but a LGA 775 processor is of little value to someone trying to upgrade from 32 bit Windows 7 Ultimate to Windows 10 Pro on a machine with a Socket 478 motherboard.

    LMiller7: You said "Some socket 478 Pentium 4's may have these features but there is more to it than that." My specific question was and is, "Which Socket 478 Pentium 4 (if any) meets the specifications required to run Windows 10?" BIOS updates and driver compatibility discussions are irrelevant if I don't possess the Socket 478 CPU that matches the OS requirements.

    Thank you all for your responses. I guess I'll continue my Google Search.

    If I ever do find a Win 10 compatible, Socket 478 Pentium 4 processor, I'll be sure to post the information here.
    Thanks.
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  6.    17 Dec 2015 #6

    JJewell said: View Post
    Thank you all for your responses. I guess I'll continue my Google Search.

    If I ever do find a Win 10 compatible, Socket 478 Pentium 4 processor, I'll be sure to post the information here.
    Thanks. [/COLOR]
    Best of luck.

    I don't know whether the Wikipedia page is comprehensive, but I didn't spot a single Socket 478 CPU on it that supported NX. That doesn't prove that none exist, but I know which way I'd bet.

    I'm curious as to why you'd want to try Win 10 on a machine that old, but I suppose that it'd be rude to ask.
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  7.    17 Dec 2015 #7

    Hi,

    I'm curious as to why you'd want to try Win 10 on a machine that old, but I suppose that it'd be rude to ask.
    Not wanting to be rude either but even if such CPU were to be supported, how about the rest of the hardware?
    Ultimately what are you hoping to gain from that machine with respect to the OS it's currently running ?


    Best,
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    Thread Starter
       17 Dec 2015 #8

    @bobkn: "I'm curious as to why you'd want to try Win 10 on a machine that old, but I suppose that it'd be rude to ask."

    @fdegrove: "Not wanting to be rude either but even if such CPU were to be supported, how about the rest of the hardware?
    Ultimately what are you hoping to gain from that machine with respect to the OS it's currently running ?"


    The questions are not at all rude, however I grow weary of asking simple, direct questions on various forums, and receiving non-responsive, tangential replies. Forgive me, but my expectation was that I could receive a definitive "yes" or "no" answer to my question regarding the existence of a Socket 478 Pentium 4 processor that was Windows 10 compliant on the tenforums.

    @bobkn, Why WOULDN'T I try to run the most current OS possible on the hardware I have at hand, when the maximum expense involved is an eBay CPU and possibly a BIOS chip if the motherboard will support the eBay CPU? Unless, of course I have a special dis-affinity for the OS in question (read Windows 8/8.1)??

    @fdegrove, What I would gain is an OS current machine with a small out-of-pocket outlay. Driver issues can be overcome, BIOS issues are CPU-dependent at this point, but all discussion is irrelevant unless/until I find the Socket 478, Pentium 4 Win 10 compatible processor I seek. The machines run just fine on Windows 7 Ultimate, but I'd like to run Windows 10 on them if it's possible.


    I'm no "noob". I've been building, upgrading, configuring, and maintaining PC's as a "sideline" for over 23 years. I started out with IBM mainframes in 1973.
    Believe it or not, I am currently upgrading a machine, with a Slot 1 Pentium II, 350 MHz processor, a maximum RAM capacity of 384 MB (currently at 320 MB), and a 10 GB hard drive, from Windows 98 to Windows XP SP3. I upgraded Win98 to Windows 2000 Pro, upgraded Windows 2000 Pro to Windows XP Pro, and have installed Service Packs 1-3, finishing the XP updates right now. These were upgrades, not starting from a clean install. I still have 1.7 GB free on the 10 GB hard drive...


    Anyway, if anyone discovers a Win 10 compliant, Socket 478, Pentium 4 processor, please let me know. Thanks.
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  9.    18 Dec 2015 #9

    JJewell said: View Post
    @bobkn, Why WOULDN'T I try to run the most current OS possible on the hardware I have at hand, when the maximum expense involved is an eBay CPU and possibly a BIOS chip if the motherboard will support the eBay CPU? Unless, of course I have a special dis-affinity for the OS in question (read Windows 8/8.1)?? :chuckle
    Why not?

    Sorry that I can't declare with 100% certainty that there is no "J" variant of a Socket 478 CPU. The intersection of the sets of people interested in Windows 10 and in PC archaeology may be small enough that you'd have better luck posting elsewhere.

    (At the time Prescott was the best Intel desktop CPU, I was running an AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+, socket 939. It was running XP when I handed it down, and it died this year in its third owner's hands. I think it may have been upgradable to Win 10 X86, but probably not X64. Additional instruction requirements beyond NX.)
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  10.    19 Dec 2015 #10

    Wow, sorry folks. I was unaware of the NX bit requirement. I learned something new today! Thanks.
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